Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
i cannot prove lee was in amazing physical condition?
I'm really glad you can change the subject just to be right, but let's not play a gigantically obvious strawman, shall we?
This is what you said:
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
so just because i see that bruce was the height of physical perfection i should be religious?
No matter how many times you whine at me that this is the wrong thread, it's not. You tried to pass off a subjective truth as evidence of an exactitude, just the same as any other religious person who beliefs in some sort of God or gods. His comparison was valid and it stands.
Regardless, even if we play with your dodge, you're still WRONG.
Who is to say that THIS is not peak physical condition:
or this:
or this:
or this:
or this:
And, "amazing physical condition" is VERY subjective. What is your measure? BF %? Resting heart rate? How quickly the body cane remove lactic acid? Fastest 100 meter sprint? Fastest mile run? Etc. Etc.
But, let's keep in mind that this was about "height of physical" condition which is the same as saying, "I have evidence for God because he spoke to me." Those are both internal conclusions.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosIt may've been me in another thread. I brought up the movie, "Oh God," where at some point Jerry (John Denver) asked God (George Burns) to do something really godlike. So God made it rain inside Jerry's car.
Raises the question (and I think this came up before) of what could actually be an unmistakable sign.
Personally, that wouldn't have done it for me...and I'm not quite sure what would be an unmistakable "empirical" sign. Even if I saw a floating mountain, before I began thinking "God" I'd probably go with hallucinations, or perhaps aliens or X-men...though according to the mystical literature, when one does reach the highest levels of meditative consciousness, God's presence is overwhelmingly self-evident (as well as the illusionary nature of what we commonly call reality).
(Which brings me to a sidenote: how come ESP is being listed as a possible explanation for God's voice? It's not like ESP has such a great evidence track record.)
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
DDM WTF is your problem im saying the guy is in great shape... wtf is this a handicap person? roid users/ muscles stimulant users? atheletes?im saying bruce is in great shape... you making it into something it isnt 😬 geez... serious problems
He's making it subjective. Which is what it is 😛
Originally posted by Mindship
(Which brings me to a sidenote: how come ESP is being listed as a possible explanation for God's voice? It's not like ESP has such a great evidence track record.)
ESP doesn't have to have anything to do with God. Maybe not great but it isn't bad, it just that some of the results aren't that amazing but I think the Telephone Telepathy experiment was pretty good.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You know...I WISH someone like Dawkins would arrange an event and plan for it, and get tons of people to attend. He would ask God to prove himself by burning up a "sacrifice" (probably iPods, Android phones, and iPhones...lol!). It would be most awesome IF God proved himself by humoring Dawkins for just an instant. Just once. Atheism would cease to exist for at least several decades....from almost everyone. Sometimes, I wish I could see something like. Don't you? Of course, I would gloat about it, but don't you think life would be easier if you knew we were SUPPOSED to be these uber charitable people? I know reading and then asking for a confirmation from a person you don't believe in, is pretty much impossible. But wouldn't it be easier if you just had ONE little tiny piece of evidence? Just a tiny one...nothing like parting the Red Sea or something...just a "feat" from God saying, "yo, I'm hear...now stop dicking around and start behaving." That's how it was the in the old testament...so why can't we get some sort of sign, now?If God proved himself, that way...
You wouldn't know whose God that was, it could be anything really, it could be a malevolent God, or just some trickster supernatural beings, it could even be advanced aliens, or any other number of things. And to many the thought of one highest authority over everything we are is hardly desirable.
I guess it would be nice for the people who already believe in a specific thing or person they could attribute it to (that is if they believe in someone that has an advantage for them if they exist), as it would probably calm the nagging worry that they could be wrong, but generally that wouldn't "proof" anything, and it would not necessarily be a "nice" thing for many.
Originally posted by DeadlineAccording to mystical literature, as one's meditative consciousness develops, the first "signpost" of genuine transcendent insight, of moving in the right direction, may be the manifestation of "extrasensory" impressions (may; it doesn't have to; and if it does, it is to be treated as just another distraction along the way).
ESP doesn't have to have anything to do with God.
This is why, in another thread where you and I were discussing this, I had asked if any ESP experiments had been done with advanced meditators.
I'm just thinking, if one is willing to cross the line and consider one phenomenon which apparently operates outside physical law (eg, ESP shows no inverse-square law effect), then "God" becomes more a matter of degree than of kind. Ie, one has already accepted a transcendent reality.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You wouldn't know whose God that was, it could be anything really, it could be a malevolent God, or just some trickster supernatural beings, it could even be advanced aliens, or any other number of things. And to many the thought of one highest authority over everything we are is hardly desirable.I guess it would be nice for the people who already believe in a specific thing or person they could attribute it to (that is if they believe in someone that has an advantage for them if they exist), as it would probably calm the nagging worry that they could be wrong, but generally that wouldn't "proof" anything, and it would not necessarily be a "nice" thing for many.
Lets change God's name to mother nature, what do you think?
Originally posted by alltoomany
Lets change God's name to mother nature, what do you think?
Oh I think from a scientific perspective such an event would be immensely interesting, finding out what happened and how...
From a philosophical and ethical one, it would be horrible for many people (but that's based on a simplistic "it can only be God" view)
Not sure if that's what you were getting at...
Originally posted by Mindship
According to mystical literature, as one's meditative consciousness develops, the first "signpost" of genuine transcendent insight, of moving in the right direction, may be the manifestation of "extrasensory" impressions (may; it doesn't have to; and if it does, it is to be treated as just another distraction along the way).
Yes but common sense tells you regardless of what mystic literature says thay don't have to be connected. Rupert Sheldrake said the same thing.
Originally posted by Mindship
This is why, in another thread where you and I were discussing this, I had asked if any ESP experiments had been done with advanced meditators.
Can't remember what I said but I think according to the Stargate Project people who meditated did better at Remote Viewing, no don't have the experiment at hand.
There also some stuff by Karl Osis ( I think) who found a link between actvity in the brain and OBEs
This is off the top of my head ( so precise details maybe wrong) by the way and haven't had the time to investigate properly.
Originally posted by Mindship
I'm just thinking, if one is willing to cross the line and consider one phenomenon which apparently operates outside physical law (eg, ESP shows no inverse-square law effect), then "God" becomes more a matter of degree than of kind. Ie, one has already accepted a transcendent reality.
I dunno man I think you're kinda putting God and transcedent in a box and putting them into neat catagories.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh I think from a scientific perspective such an event would be immensely interesting, finding out what happened and how...From a philosophical and ethical one, it would be horrible for many people (but that's based on a simplistic "it can only be God" view)
Not sure if that's what you were getting at...
Both.. But some people call God "THE MAN" up stairs..
Originally posted by DeadlineCommon sense tells me many people are not that familiar with mystical literature, or are selective with what they believe.
Yes but common sense tells you regardless of what mystic literature says thay don't have to be connected. Rupert Sheldrake said the same thing.
Originally posted by DeadlineNot me. Consistent information garnered over thousands of years and across many cultures.
I dunno man I think you're kinda putting God and transcedent in a box and putting them into neat catagories.
I guess occasionally the intenet still finds ways to surprise me. It's like, most rage-battles on the forums would stop cold at that pic, but this one kept rehashing the old subjective/objective chesnut. I was taken aback, and felt strangely obligated to steer the thread to something as relevant as that ridiculously hot woman.
Anyway, on the subject of evidence, here's something:
http://www.snorgtees.com/beardheads-by-beardhead
...but seriously, don't have time to get into this thread, it's moving way too fast. Enjoy the awesome link.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
so bruce lee is not in amazing shape?hes just being a clown
him being in amazing shape isnt subjective when i posted a picture of the guy
ok if him being in good shape is subjective what would you guys say he is
He is very much in amazing shape. You're missing the point.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What I said was a bit of a exaggerated hyperbole, and I guess I shouldn't be breaking the nuts of Theoretical Physicists for not having perfecting a working UFT and TOE... they are pretty massive in scope after all. 😮
lol, no worries...
I've been writing this insane paper, and was stuck in that mode. tbh, im lucky I didn't write a novel...
Originally posted by Bardock42
You wouldn't know whose God that was, it could be anything really, it could be a malevolent God, or just some trickster supernatural beings, it could even be advanced aliens, or any other number of things. And to many the thought of one highest authority over everything we are is hardly desirable.
Stop it.
You're missing the point.
That's not the point of it, at all.
You can think of anything you want to devise a "prove yourself, God" scenario, and that's going to be what needs to occur. That's the only point of the scenario. Remove my scenario and submit your own. Whatever you want to satisfy your want for a "Prove yourself, God" scenario.
To everything else you said, I'd think that there would be mass suicides be non-believers and believers, alike.
Originally posted by Digi
It is. That is objective fact.😐
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact
Okay. I concede that point, then. 😮
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
He's making it subjective. Which is what it is 😛
Holy shit! 😆 There is hope for man!