show me some evidence, evidence, and evidence

Originally posted by inimalist
so, in terms of something like the creating of man in the bible versus evolutionary theory, you would go with science over scripture?

are there instances where you would take scripture over science?

1. People taking such things too literally.
2. Similarities, for example genetic bottlenecks which science has proven did happen. At some point the human race had to have been fewer than 5000 people.

So, generally, when not forced to choose, I don't.

Originally posted by marwash22
science proving the existence of dinosaurs reinforces your faith that God created all life on Earth? bermm

Why couldn't God be responsible for dinosaurs, exactly? 😐 This is a hang up I've never understood.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Why couldn't God be responsible for dinosaurs, exactly? 😐 This is a hang up I've never understood.

I've read the bible beginning to end (this is how i came to become an agnostic, it was an informed decision), i don't recall any giant lizard creatures being mentioned, though, with all the different versions of the same story, i guess i could've missed it.

I still don't see why the dinosaurs disprove the existence of a God.

I don't have any religious beliefs one way or another, but I think it is the height of human arrogance to tell someone that what they choose to believe is wrong. Science can't currently explain how the Universe came to exist, the fact there is something instead of nothing flies in the face of dozens of Scientific Laws. If believing that there is a greater being out there who is responsible for creation on some level helps you live your life then I say right on. The truth is probably so far beyond our ability to comprehend, that you'd be remiss to write of anyone's beliefs no mater how out there you think they are.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't have any religious beliefs one way or another, but I think it is the height of human arrogance to tell someone that what they choose to believe is wrong. Science can't currently explain how the Universe came to exist, the fact there is something instead of nothing flies in the face of dozens of Scientific Laws. If believing that there is a greater being out there who is responsible for creation on some level helps you live your life then I say right on. The truth is probably so far beyond our ability to comprehend, that you'd be remiss to write of anyone's beliefs no mater how out there you think they are.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't have any religious beliefs one way or another, but I think it is the height of human arrogance to tell someone that what they choose to believe is wrong. Science can't currently explain how the Universe came to exist, the fact there is something instead of nothing flies in the face of dozens of Scientific Laws. If believing that there is a greater being out there who is responsible for creation on some level helps you live your life then I say right on. The truth is probably so far beyond our ability to comprehend, that you'd be remiss to write of anyone's beliefs no mater how out there you think they are.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't have any religious beliefs one way or another, but I think it is the height of human arrogance to tell someone that what they choose to believe is wrong.

Even when you can prove that they're wrong?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Science can't currently explain how the Universe came to exist, the fact there is something instead of nothing flies in the face of dozens of Scientific Laws.

Not according to scientists who spend their whole lives studying such things.

What you really mean is that it flies in the face of common sense. Physics is frequently anti-intuitive.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Even when you can prove that they're wrong?

You're saying you can disprove God?

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]You're saying you can disprove God? [/B]

Where did I say that?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Even when you can prove that they're wrong?

Not according to scientists who spend their whole lives studying such things.

What you really mean is that it flies in the face of common sense. Physics is frequently anti-intuitive.

Actually, it even just flies in the face of current societal intuition...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Where did I say that?

Where did I say that it was what you said? I asked you because that's how I interpreted it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Even when you can prove that they're wrong?

Not according to scientists who spend their whole lives studying such things.

What you really mean is that it flies in the face of common sense. Physics is frequently anti-intuitive.

Spending the last 50 years trying unsuccessfully to prove the existence of the Higgs Boson, doesn't mean it exists, doesn't mean it doesn't either. I said science can't "currently explain" and it can't. Scientists spend their whole lives trying to prove theories but even in Science there are dozens of different working theories, and none of them an concrete proof, or really any significant leaps forward in the last four decades. They are called theories for a reason, a scientist operating under the notion that his theory is correct while he looks for proof... doesn't mean his theory is correct.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]You're saying you can disprove God? [/B]

I think Sym, like me, picked up on the too broad statement that srankmissingnin made, there's lots of beliefs you can disprove and whose holders should perhaps be ridiculed, while I think the intention was just about certain metaphysical beliefs.

Originally posted by marwash22
tell that to the fanatics who claim i will burn for all enternity in an extra-dimensional realm filled with every morally ambiguous person to ever exist, simply because i do not believe in something that can't be proven.

I don't want to say anything to fanatics... they are unreasonable... and I like to avoid confrontation. 😮

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spending the last 50 years trying unsuccessfully to prove the existence of the Higgs Boson, doesn't mean it exists, doesn't mean it doesn't either.

In fact it means one very specific thing. That we don't know if it exists or not.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I said science can't "currently explain" and it can't.

No there good explanations for it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Scientists spend their whole lives trying to prove theories but even in Science there are dozens of different working theories, and none of them an concrete proof, or really any significant leaps forward in the last four decades. They are called theories for a reason, a scientist operating under the notion that his theory is correct while he looks for proof... doesn't mean his theory is correct.

They're called theories because they have lots of evidence to support them both physically and based on mathematical models that have consistently given accurate results in the past.

Or maybe you want even better evidence that gravity exists than we have right now?

And a lot has been done in the last 40 years include the discovery of particles that mediate the fundemanetal forces of the universe (as predicted by the Standard Model).

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't want to say anything to fanatics... they are unreasonable...

That's the very height of arrogance!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's the very height of arrogance!

Not really... it's pretty much the definition of fanatic. 😎

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think Sym, like me, picked up on the too broad statement that srankmissingnin made, there's lots of beliefs you can disprove and whose holders should perhaps be ridiculed, while I think the intention was just about certain metaphysical beliefs.

You can see how it's easily misinterpreted though. No matter, just wanted it clarified that he didn't say that. It became abundantly clear that he didn't say that when I saw his reply to me. Jumpy fellow.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In fact it means one very specific thing. That we don't know if it exists or not.

No there good explanations for it.

They're called theories because they have lots of evidence to support them both physically and based on mathematical models that have consistently given accurate results in the past.

Or maybe you want even better evidence that gravity exists than we have right now?

And a lot has been done in the last 40 years include the discovery of particles that mediate the fundemanetal forces of the universe (as predicted by the Standard Model).

Any theory can work in a mathematical model if you create a hypothetical particles, energies and cosmic events and just assume they exist and occur somewhere, then spend your life looking for the variables you made up. 😈

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
or really any significant leaps forward in the last four decades.

your argument is that there have been no significant leaps in human understanding in the past 40 years?