Originally posted by dadudemon
lulzWell, not just any sandwich...a damn good one.
You start the trend: making atheists swear into oath by placing their hand on a delicious sandwich of their choosing.
hmm
Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not an atheistic apologetic!
NAY! This is blaspheme!
Yes it must indeed be a tasty sandwich...possibly even...A doughnut.
😛
lol
Speaking of the wisdom of Star Trek:
YouTube video
Starship=Faith, obedience/loyalty/spreading of his word etc etc
God needs nothing. If it did, it wouldn't be complete. It would be lacking. Can an entity be lacking in some way and still be perfect?
What would be the purpose of worship to a "complete and perfect entity?" It's not fulfilled? It wants adoration for what purpose? It's sad? Isn't that a human emotion or lacking of stability, especially if it gets mad and punishes others for not getting it, or getting it JUST RIGHT? Ohhh whoa to those who don't worship the perfect being the perfect way.
Sad, sad God who doesn't get adoration. How sad it must be to feel incomplete....
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. Its on topic.What does god need with a our faith? Where is the evidence that it's even neccessary for an all powerful being??
Who ever said it was necessary? God doesn't NEED it. He wants it.
And if we are hopping back on topic, I'm still waiting for your response to my previous points.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Who ever said it was necessary? God doesn't NEED it. He wants it.And if we are hopping back on topic, I'm still waiting for your response to my previous points.
Well why is he so bent on wanting it?
Does/can he not exist without Man creating and sustaining him?
Not likely...
And why does he punish not following/not believing with hell?
Why have men killed so extensively, non believers in his name, based on his word...?
I'm still waiting for YOUR response to MY previous posts...
I've actually answered pretty much all yours.
I seek proof.
I have provided both proof at times of my argument and sound supporting arguments.
Please now extend to me that same courtesy?
Now where is the proof that makes you assert your opposition to free enquiry with such enthusiasm...?
Originally posted by Deja~vu
God needs nothing. If it did, it wouldn't be complete. It would be lacking. Can an entity be lacking in some way and still be perfect?What would be the purpose of worship to a "complete and perfect entity?" It's not fulfilled? It wants adoration for what purpose? It's sad? Isn't that a human emotion or lacking of stability, especially if it gets mad and punishes others for not getting it, or getting it JUST RIGHT? Ohhh whoa to those who don't worship the perfect being the perfect way.
Sad, sad God who doesn't get adoration. How sad it must be to feel incomplete....
🙂 Exactly.
Heres an interesting article. It relates to PSi experiments and experiments done with medicine.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Since when does a supposedly perfect being want of anything?
How does being perfect mean you can't want something?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well why is he so bent on wanting it?
Does/can he not exist without Man creating and sustaining him?
Not likely...
Explain to me where you got this radical idea. God doesn't need us to exist at all.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
And why does he punish not following/not believing with hell?
Because God is all loving but also all just. Hell isn't something He wants, it's something that has to be there. He even sent His son to die for everyone to try to keep as many people out of hell as He could.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why have men killed so extensively, non believers in his name, based on his word...?
You would have to ask them. People misinterpret, or they rationalize things in the Bible that aren't there. Again, we've been over this, it isn't the religions fault, it's the person's.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I'm still waiting for YOUR response to MY previous posts...
I've actually answered pretty much all yours.
I seek proof.
It's possible you just missed my post. I think it's on the last page. It's rather large, as I was responding to both you and Bardok, I think his name was. It's right before the sandwich part.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I have provided both proof at times of my argument and sound supporting arguments.
You have provided neither. You do know what an argument is, right? It isn't a list of circumcision facts.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Please now extend to me that same courtesy?
Now where is the proof that makes you assert your opposition to free enquiry with such enthusiasm...?
I have provided an argument. The kalam cosmological argument, which you have not responded to.
When did I ever say I was opposed to free inquiry?
At any rate, go back and find my post. I eagerly await your response to my points.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
And what would happen to God if there wasn't anyone to worship it? What if the Earth with all the inhabitants were destroyed leaving no one to worship it. Would it be angry, sad, upset or okay because it doesn't need adoration?
How can I say what God would do? In the end, what does it even matter?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Since when does a supposedly perfect being want of anything?
Since when you assigned Him definitions of "perfect" that are arbitrary and subjective.
My version of perfect is "eternal progression" with a very high level of "ascension." These are arbitrary, as well.
Originally posted by TacDavey
How can I say what God would do? In the end, what does it even matter?
So they converted you to apatheism? 😆
Never ceases to amaze me despite the fact that on this planet alone there have been thousands of Gods worshipped as being true that no longer are...And that we are 1 planet in a Universe that contains billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars yet somehow Christian fundies think they are worshipping The God who created everything.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So they converted you to apatheism? 😆
😂 Of course not. I simply can't claim to know what God would or wouldn't do in any given situation. And I fail to see the relevance of the question of what God would do without worship in regards to what we are currently talking about.
Originally posted by jaden101
Never ceases to amaze me despite the fact that on this planet alone there have been thousands of Gods worshipped as being true that no longer are...And that we are 1 planet in a Universe that contains billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars yet somehow Christian fundies think they are worshipping The God who created everything.
It isn't based off of nothing. There are reasons behind believing in Christianity.
Originally posted by TacDaveyIt isn't based off of nothing. There are reasons behind believing in Christianity.
And that would be a bunch of ramblings written by men most of which did it hundreds of years before or after the fact and which has been interpreted and reinterpreted hundreds of times since to the point where it most likely doesn't resemble anything like what was originally written by those men (As opposed to God)
I'm sure all the civilisations that believed in their thousands of different Gods had their reasons for believing them too. Who are you to say they were wrong and you were right?
Originally posted by jaden101
And that would be a bunch of ramblings written by men most of which did it hundreds of years before or after the fact and which has been interpreted and reinterpreted hundreds of times since to the point where it most likely doesn't resemble anything like what was originally written by those men (As opposed to God)I'm sure all the civilisations that believed in their thousands of different Gods had their reasons for believing them too. Who are you to say they were wrong and you were right?
Multiple reasons. Their Gods destroyed cities if you didn't build temples and make sacrifices, which we haven't been doing for many years... And we're all still in tact.
Don't lump Christianity in the same category as Greek or Egyptian mythology. It only shows you haven't done the proper research on the subject.