Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think today's xkcd is more apt.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think this xkcd fits the thread nicely.
I think this xkcd is funny
I'm really busy right now I don't think I gave out the experiment I read concerning sense of being stared at
http://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Papers/papers/staring/pdf/JCSpaper1.pdf
It also references other experiments.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think this xkcd is funny
I'm telling you, man, we do not have very similar sense of humor. I did not find that comic very funny.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They do this without a shred of proof to the rest of us though.The child might not hold that opinion when they grow up.
Thats encroachment on their personal freedom to not have their gentals mutilated....if its done preemptively as a kid.Who says I cant understand the descriptions that man gives of it?
I disagree. Every schizo who has ever killed due to their delusions in the world could have their actions justified under that tennet.
When you have decency, a free mind and conscience, that lets you know.
And child sex abuse IS evil. Do you not feel that way?
Perhaps they feel you're blind to the truth and can't be convinced that they are doing the right thing. Again: Evil is a motive, not an action. They aren't evil simply because something you view as evil is being done. In your world, they are misinformed, lost or confused. In their world, you're the lost one. The unfortunate soul that hasn't felt God.
You may understand the description people share of God or divinity. That doesn't mean you understand God or divinity. You're trying to intellectualize the concept of God. You denounce God through an intellectual conclusion, not recognizing that few to no true believers believe in him out of intellectual conclusions. You're two different worlds and you're trying to explain their world in the same way you explain your own: Because that's the only way that make sense to you 🙂
You're not right. You're not wrong, but you aren't right. You don't know. The only way for you to be right, is to disprove God. And you can't do that. The only way for you to be wrong is for them to prove God, and they can't do that.
Child sex abuse is wrong. I don't see circumcision as evil though. I see it as a religious, medical procedure in this sense. Just medical procedure in other. Something you refuse to do because you see the world as religion or not-religion. Black and white. That you think rabbis do it for some sexual kick because the God they praise is false, that's sad.
You're lost in your blind devotion to limited science and I pity you for it hug I can only hope you'll respect your future children should they have the fortune of finding religion. Nothing worse than a neglecting parent.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
A being that is deficient or incomplete is not perfect.
Then it seems we disagree on what it means to be perfect. My points still stand. If I were a perfect being, does that automatically mean that the whole world would be at peace? Just because one person was "perfect"? No. Therefore, it's possible for me to WANT there to be peace, even if I'm a perfect being.
In fact, I would say it is REQUIRED for a being to want things to be perfect. A perfect being would not be indifferent to people's suffering. So it should WANT there to not be people suffering.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Untrue. And its not a harsh sounding label. Its a descriptive.
Here's another description: "Medical practice" or "surgery". Neither of those things sounds evil to me. You're making it sound worse than it is to futher your goals, regardless of the fact that circumcision is not required in Christianity, so this whole point is irrelevant anyway.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
To unnecessarily, unconsentually and preemptively, attempt to hinder the child's future sexual enjoyment, physical appearance when they are later an adult, to actually cut them, making them bleed, making them sore for all the time of their 'recovery', forever and irrevocably modifying their body BASED ON SOMEONES BELIEF IN AN UNPROVEN SUPERSTITIOUS BEING is as evil as it is stupid.Its child abuse.
No it isn't. The child does not remember anything of the procedure. There is no lasting, negative effects, with the possible exception of "affecting sexual pleasure" which by itself is not evil.
Furthermore, it isn't required to be done on a child at all. It can be done at anytime in someone's life. so EITHER WAY your points do not show that Christianity requires evil.
Let's summarize quickly.
You claim Christianity requires it's followers to be evil because it requires circumcision, which is evil. It doesn't require circumcision at all, so this whole point is refuted right there, but just for the sake of argument I'll point out all the other reasons it doesn't hold up anyway.
1.) You claim circumcision is evil because it hinders sexual enjoyment.
This is easy. Hindering sexual enjoyment isn't evil. If a woman requires a man to wear a condom when they have sex, she is not being evil, regardless of the fact that it is affecting sexual enjoyment
2.) You claim circumcision is evil because it is performed on children before they have the ability to choose.
It isn't required to be performed on a child at all. This is a parents choice, so at BEST you would be showing the parents are evil, not the religion.
Its a circumcision. Its doesnt go away.
So you advocate child abuse if they are too young to remember?
Thats messed up.
1) Even easier to point out that that is a CHOICE.
2) I proved that the texts of Christianity is evil cause of all the death on its hands over history, that it commanded....which is unarguable.
THEN I claimed about the abuse of children.
Yes those parents are allowing evil for following such commandments I say that the Rabbis performing it are very much arguably sick, evil, and so are any scriptures telling them to do so.
Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
Perhaps they feel you're blind to the truth and can't be convinced that they are doing the right thing. Again: Evil is a motive, not an action. They aren't evil simply because something you view as evil is being done. In your world, they are misinformed, lost or confused. In their world, you're the lost one. The unfortunate soul that hasn't felt God.
Who says Ive not felt "god"?
They're not qualified to say that.
I felt something that defies words numerous times in my life, the transcendant......just no reason to start blindly 'believing' man made religions though, just because of that.
Even if someone has never felt the sky creatures or whatever, doesnt mean that they are lost in anyway.
You see I could just as easily say that THEY havent felt god.
And they certainly dont seem to forward evidence otherwise.
You may understand the description people share of God or divinity. That doesn't mean you understand God or divinity. You're trying to intellectualize the concept of God. You denounce God through an intellectual conclusion, not recognizing that few to no true believers believe in him out of intellectual conclusions. You're two different worlds and you're trying to explain their world in the same way you explain your own: Because that's the only way that make sense to you 🙂
Their intellectualism is always compromised at some point down the belief chain....further you go down that road, heavier the inconsistancies, contradictions demand that the believer compromise at some point.
You're not right. You're not wrong, but you aren't right. You don't know. The only way for you to be right, is to disprove God. And you can't do that. The only way for you to be wrong is for them to prove God, and they can't do that.Child sex abuse is wrong. I don't see circumcision as evil though. I see it as a religious, medical procedure in this sense. Just medical procedure in other. Something you refuse to do because you see the world as religion or not-religion. Black and white. That you think rabbis do it for some sexual kick because the God they praise is false, that's sad.
You're lost in your blind devotion to limited science and I pity you for it hug I can only hope you'll respect your future children should they have the fortune of finding religion. Nothing worse than a neglecting parent.
I dont have to disprove god: You have to prove god in this thread.
Medical procedure: Not bad, (especially as, over here at least, you have to give consent for your own operation and you are advised of the consequences as you are consulted first.)
Because of belief in magical sky beings with zero proof: Bad.
I merely think that in the amount of Rabbis there have been throughout time, that you to blindly deny that many of them WON'T have "gotten kicks" is sadder:
You've only gotta look at the amount of abuse that is hand in hand with religious institutions in the world to see that relgious positions attract a lot of nonces.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, it's great, innit?Another xkcd vaguely related to this topic and other topics discussed here:
I think I see what you're getting at and thats not a very strong argument. Just because people aren't using it to make a killing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
IF thats the point you're trying to make.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Multiple reasons. Their Gods destroyed cities if you didn't build temples and make sacrifices, which we haven't been doing for many years... And we're all still in tact.Don't lump Christianity in the same category as Greek or Egyptian mythology. It only shows you haven't done the proper research on the subject.
Come again? Have you read the Old Testament? It's a genocidal smorgasbord with the ancient Israelites destroying cities and killing men, women and children on God's decree cos you know, those peoples didn't believe and practice the same. Then we have several instances of God raining death and punishing all found unjust directly.
Sure Zeus turned himself into a bull, swan or golden-shower and raped men, women and animals, but is that so much worse than genocide, floods, raining down fire or turning people's wives into salt pillars? Judeo-Christian God is just as bad a mofo.