Originally posted by quanchi112
They are definitely more popular with storied histories than the Sentry but he was clearly more powerful than either.
Yeah, but you would think that Marvel would attempt to capitalize on the fact that a Thor/Surfer fight would logically create more buzz and fan interest over Thor/Sentry, considering that Sentry is an extremely disliked character as a whole, regardless of his being more powerful.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI honestly don't see why either company doesn't really market these rivalries better than they do. The buzz they could create with a no hold barred Black Adam/Superman fight or a Surfer/Thor fight is just plain stupid.
Yeah, but you would think that Marvel would attempt to capitalize on the fact that a Thor/Surfer fight would logically create more buzz and fan interest over Thor/Sentry, considering that Sentry is an extremely disliked character as a whole, regardless of his being more powerful.
So many well liked characters yet these fights simply just don't happen and usually when they do way are to short without a winner.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I honestly don't see why either company doesn't really market these rivalries better than they do. The buzz they could create with a no hold barred Black Adam/Superman fight or a Surfer/Thor fight is just plain stupid.So many well liked characters yet these fights simply just don't happen and usually when they do way are to short without a winner.
Yeah, the problem with that is that DC has issues letting Superman lose to someone outside of a big bad boss type character. Captain Marvel/Superman fights use to sell quite a bit, but DC ran that rivalry into the ground to the point where they believe that CM is only relevant when paired with or against Superman. And if they did have Superman cleanly lose to Marvel or Black Adam instead of a stalemate or him outright beating him, the fan backlash would be incredible. DC's own message board is full of people clammoring that Superman be brought back to Pre-Crisis power levels and people like CM be held down less they "damage" Supes image.
Marvel's a bit more flexible in their hierarchy, perhaps too flexible, though. I doubt we'll see a happy medium anytime soon between the two companies.
Originally posted by quanchi112Good one. The little mini Hulk/juggz fight was great as well.
WW Hulk vs. Sentry was a pretty good fight where they went all in. It was uninterrupted to boot. Most fights in general in comics are too brief for the comic vs. enthusiast.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The sad thing?Considering the fanbase for both Thor and Surfer and the general consensus that they're the two most powerful heroes in the Marvel U, this should be getting more hype and build up then the grueling build up to Thor vs. Sentry.
I think writers in general are sometimes a little too fearful to stick their necks out in these scenarios for fear of fan backlash. I mean just look at what happened to Jeph Loeb. Fans will never let him live Rulk down, even with the prolonged Mea culpa that's happening with the character now. Same thing for Pak when he tried to do it in wwh. Now he's got Banner getting his ass kicked left and right.
The "Lord of the Flies" mentality of fanboys combined with the internet has allowed for figurative "public stonings" of writers that piss off fans and often times they never recover.
Originally posted by zopzop
Given that Thor is Marvel's golden boy (like Superman is to DC) and the fact that there's a major motion picture named "Thor" hitting theaters soon, I foresee a very bad ending for the Surfer should they engage in a fight.
He's Marvel's perennial top tier powerhouse, but he doesn't have anywhere close to the protective aura that Superman enjoys from DC. Wolverine and Hulk outdo Thor in that department, especially when faced against Thor himself.
Originally posted by zopzopMarvel doesn't have a golden boy. Look at how he fared in siege and against hulk in the past few years. He is getting a push now though thanks to his movie and is one of marvel's greatest heroes but he shares the spotlight.
Given that Thor is Marvel's golden boy (like Superman is to DC) and the fact that there's a major motion picture named "Thor" hitting theaters soon, I foresee a very bad ending for the Surfer should they engage in a fight.
I also see Hulk as more popular by far than Thor in the mainstream.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI do agree dc fears a backlash that they do protect him but marvel doesn't seem to fare that way. Dc has the big three which is Superman, then Batman, and finally WW.
Yeah, the problem with that is that DC has issues letting Superman lose to someone outside of a big bad boss type character. Captain Marvel/Superman fights use to sell quite a bit, but DC ran that rivalry into the ground to the point where they believe that CM is only relevant when paired with or against Superman. And if they did have Superman cleanly lose to Marvel or Black Adam instead of a stalemate or him outright beating him, the fan backlash would be incredible. DC's own message board is full of people clammoring that Superman be brought back to Pre-Crisis power levels and people like CM be held down less they "damage" Supes image.Marvel's a bit more flexible in their hierarchy, perhaps too flexible, though. I doubt we'll see a happy medium anytime soon between the two companies.
Who is marvel's big three ? Now I know they aren't the same as dc's but if we had to go that route who would you place up there, Hulk, Wolverine, and Thor ?
Fans of each company want more power because they can't help but want their character to be badder than yours so fandom will never change in that regard.
Originally posted by quanchi112Most popular are:
I do agree dc fears a backlash that they do protect him but marvel doesn't seem to fare that way. Dc has the big three which is Superman, then Batman, and finally WW.Who is marvel's big three ? Now I know they aren't the same as dc's but if we had to go that route who would you place up there, Hulk, Wolverine, and Thor ?
Fans of each company want more power because they can't help but want their character to be badder than yours so fandom will never change in that regard.
In universe big three:
Iron Man
Thor
Captain America
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do agree dc fears a backlash that they do protect him but marvel doesn't seem to fare that way. Dc has the big three which is Superman, then Batman, and finally WW.Who is marvel's big three ? Now I know they aren't the same as dc's but if we had to go that route who would you place up there, Hulk, Wolverine, and Thor ?
Fans of each company want more power because they can't help but want their character to be badder than yours so fandom will never change in that regard.
Well, DC has the Trinity and then the "Quintet": GL and Flash, respectively. It also helps that they all serve on the same team (JLA).
Marvel has the Big Three, which, as of late, is pretty much becoming the marketing tool of Marvel: Thor, Cap, Iron Man. They're much more relevant in-universe than outside of it, though. As far as "big names", Marvel, imo, has a Big Six: Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Wolverine, Spider-Man. Those are the biggest names in Marvel, with Cap, Thor, and Iron Man finally getting the recognition in the mainstream that they should have had for a long time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Marvel doesn't have a golden boy. Look at how he fared in siege and against hulk in the past few years. He is getting a push now though thanks to his movie and is one of marvel's greatest heroes but he shares the spotlight.I also see Hulk as more popular by far than Thor in the mainstream.
I agree 100%, where as D.C. is dependant basically on 2 characters. Superman and batman, everyone els is just fodder really. In marvel all the characters share the lime light. Thor, the avengers, the fantastic four the X-men,hulk,spiderman,thanos and the list goes on. This is why marvel will be here in 30 years and D.C will not.
Originally posted by zeel
I agree 100%, where as D.C. is dependant basically on 2 characters. Superman and batman, everyone els is just fodder really. In marvel all the characters share the lime light. Thor, the avengers, the fantastic four the X-men,hulk,thanos and the list goes on. This is why marvel will be here in 30 years and D.C will not.
DC is trying too hard too late to promote their other characters outside of the World's Finest. Green Lantern is probably DC's hottest commodity as of now, though. But being honest, if DC's popularity can compete with Marvel as a whole with just two characters, they aren't dying in 30 years.
The terrible thing is this, though: If Green Lantern bombs in the box office or doesn't draw as much as they want and if the live action WW series tanks, all it does is cement the idea in DC's collective heads that only Superman and Batman matter and to hell with everything else.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
That is really really sad.
One good thing is that you do have writers occasionally stepping in to speak like Gail Simone or Busiek at times, but yeah, it can get really bad. It was why I left Marvel's discussion boards and came here to the first place; people arguing Hulk could beat Classic Ion and other great threads and just rampant and willful ignorance. Not all the fans are like that, of course, but the ones that are really detract from the boards as a whole.
Originally posted by zopzop
Given that Thor is Marvel's golden boy (like Superman is to DC) and the fact that there's a major motion picture named "Thor" hitting theaters soon, I foresee a very bad ending for the Surfer should they engage in a fight.
If there was a marvel golden Boy, Parker would be it most likely.