Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Word, man. I really don't have high hopes for Reign of Doomsday, either.
Yeah. I'm giving it a fair shot, but I'm not expecting anything.
Cornell is doing okay on the Lex stuff, and the new guy, Roberson, might come good, but he's not going to make any sort of impact without him getting out from under JMS' notes/influence.
Originally posted by -Pr-
moore is crazy, though. and not good, morrison crazy.blame two/three years of just plain shit Superman books bar the odd exception too.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForTheManWhoHasEverything
I beg to differ. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForTheManWhoHasEverythingI beg to differ. 😄
You usually do.
Still, like i said, that book is almost as old as I am, and the dude is senile. I wouldn't trust him.
http://lysad.blogspot.com/2007/08/neil-gaiman-writes-alan-moore.html Neil Gaiman, on Alan Moore.
Moore's bitter maybe. But there's magic in his head. I'm not saying he isn't crazy. I'm saying he's crazy awesome. 😄
This is the only thing I am going to say on the subject... how can you make a terrible Superman story. From what I have seen, they have basically been high lighting his stage of being the most well known and respected dc character and they have been focusing more on the character and his history towards dc rather than just throwing a villian at him off hand.
Now they have revived Doomsday which should bring everything back up to pace. I'm not seeing anything wrong with his stories. They have high lighted his background with the rise of kryptonians which brought all of the heros closer to each other in an emotional stand point and from what I have seen, it aided in his relationship with Supergirl and actually aided in her being a star character.
The Superman stories are on point and they are selling. Its focused on his powerset, attitude, and leadership and again, he deserves this... he is by far the greatest hero that exist in comics today and "forever" imo and moore just PMed me and told me to tell you all to get off of his balls.
Originally posted by carver9
This is the only thing I am going to say on the subject... how can you make a terrible Superman story. From what I have seen, they have basically been high lighting his stage of being the most well known and respected dc character and they have been focusing more on the character and his history towards dc rather than just throwing a villian at him off hand.Now they have revived Doomsday which should bring everything back up to pace. I'm not seeing anything wrong with his stories. They have high lighted his background with the rise of kryptonians which brought all of the heros closer to each other in an emotional stand point and from what I have seen, it aided in his relationship with Supergirl and actually aided in her being a star character.
The Superman stories are on point and they are selling. Its focused on his powerset, attitude, and leadership and again, he deserves this... he is by far the greatest hero that exist in comics today and "forever" imo and moore just PMed me and told me to tell you all to get off of his balls.
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Did you actually read War of the Supermen, Carver? It was terrible. Virtually every Superman fan here, most of whom are better read than I on the charrie, agree that it was. World of New Krypton had great potential in fleshing out Superman and the Kryptonian race as a whole and it was just shit all over by the resolution of the arc. And for what? An extremely rushed and overall crappy fight issue. "Grounded" isn't much better, though the concept is a good one.
They're bringing back Doomsday in the hopes that another drag out, beat 'em up, smashtastic fight will save the title(s). Not because it will actually be a good story.
I can't even remember the last time Superman was one of DC's top selling books. I honestly can't. He's the medium's greatest icon, sure, but as of today, he's almost a mess.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestmy fave
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForTheManWhoHasEverythingI beg to differ. 😄
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...Did you actually read War of the Supermen, Carver? It was terrible. Virtually every Superman fan here, most of whom are better read than I on the charrie, agree that it was. World of New Krypton had great potential in fleshing out Superman and the Kryptonian race as a whole and it was just shit all over by the resolution of the arc. And for what? An extremely rushed and overall crappy fight issue. "Grounded" isn't much better, though the concept is a good one.
They're bringing back Doomsday in the hopes that another drag out, beat 'em up, smashtastic fight will save the title(s). Not because it will actually be a good story.
I can't even remember the last time Superman was one of DC's top selling books. I honestly can't. He's the medium's greatest icon, sure, but as of today, he's almost a mess.
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The only thing that I am seeing wrong with Superman stories is "he need different villians". I am tired of seeing Doomsday and Zod. He has fought so many versions of Doomsday that its ridiculous (Kryptonite Doomsday, Doomsday rex, and now he is about to face a Doomsday that can fly...wtf).
The reason the Imperiex saga did so well was due to the fact that it was introducing a different, powerful villian that Superman had to adjust his entire life around to defeat. He had to bring his enemies closer, some of his most hated enemies to face a being that was a threat to the entire universe. That's what is missing. I honestly think they should have did more with Supes and Konvikt... that would have made an amazing story.
The stories you've mentioned, yes, I have read them and they are not the best of Supes stories BUT they weren't bad. DC in general just need to kill off Doomsday and Zod... they are out played and out dated. I liked the hero version of Doomsday (Gogs war DD). They probably should have left the character like that and just had him doing appearances where he showed up to assist Superman. Who wouldn't buy that comic? Amazing stuff.
I think you all are downplaying the stories a lil too much imo.
Also... I have a question for the genious peeps out there that are familiar with the companies (dc and marvel). I know that Disney bought Marvel but why don't they do crossovers anymore? Is that the reason? Because some of DC characters are owned by certain companies vs Marvel being bought by Disney or is there another reason that I am missing?
Originally posted by zopzop
Maybe because writing stories about a being who has to hold back all of the time lest he kill someone and yet he still easily pwns his enemies gets boring after a while.Really who/what is a challenge to Superman? He's boring. At least Batman bleeds.
Superman has plenty of challenges and he bleeds and has to work his ass off about as much as anyone else. Don't confuse how people on battleboards portray a character with what happens in the actual comicbooks.
In terms of popularity Supermans problem is that his books have lacked direction and momentum for a long time. The last time it was going anywhere was the very, very boring New Krypton story. He just doesn't seem to be a priority for DC atm. I suppose that will change as the new movie approaches.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankSounds about right. While I would love for Surfer to finally land a decisive win, Thor has proven himself quite the beast in the past.
What I think will happen: I think Surfer vs. Thor as we expect it to happen probably won't or if it does, it will be inconclusive. A hammer shot here, a cosmic blast there.What I want to happen: So long as it's a good fight between the top two dogs in Marvel, I'll be happy. While I consider himself more of a Thor fan than Surfer, I do acknowledge that Surfer could beat him one-on-one just as much as vice versa.
I got tired of comics for a while. This could pull me back in.
Originally posted by zopzop
Given that Thor is Marvel's golden boy (like Superman is to DC).
Hell no, Marvel treats Thor like shit, his current books are horribly written and he jobs like shit. DC will never rape Supes like this and they treat their main characters a lot better than Marvel does. Marvel give us shit like Sentry then takes him away.
Originally posted by CosmicCometyup, their biggest deal solo hero wise is definitely spider-man. though x-men in general and wolveine in particular have become their most popular properties
Not really.I'm not talking about where they would fit with their powersets, I'm talking rankings based on how representative they are of their companies.
Marvel is Spiderman, through and through. That's their biggest draw.
DC is Batman or Superman depending on whatever happens to be going on that year.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I honestly don't see why either company doesn't really market these rivalries better than they do. The buzz they could create with a no hold barred Black Adam/Superman fight or a Surfer/Thor fight is just plain stupid.So many well liked characters yet these fights simply just don't happen and usually when they do way are to short without a winner.
The fights would generate more buzz if the story that carries them are great, and have a great premise. What reason would Supes have to battle BA, outside of fans wanting to see them go at it for the first time?
This one should have a bit more buzz, but I think fans have seen them go at it before, which may factor into how much excitement there is or isn't.
Originally posted by AllanklesI can think of a crap load of reasons for SM to fight BA actually. it souldnt be a hard to convince readers of it at all
The fights would generate more buzz if the story that carries them are great, and have a great premise. What reason would Supes have to battle BA, outside of fans wanting to see them go at it for the first time?This one should have a bit more buzz, but I think fans have seen them go at it before, which may factor into how much excitement there is or isn't.