Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wouldn't their Batman be Captain America, then?
No. I'm talking in terms of popularity and sales.
Look at all the Spider-man and Thor comics and spinoffs. Iron Man doesn't have the number of spinoffs the other two do but his movies were pretty successful.
If the Thor movie does well, get ready for MAJOR Thor pimping from Marvel.
Originally posted by zopzop
Nah. Thor's Marvel's Superman, Parker is their Batman. Their "Wonder Woman" is Tony. That's Marvel's big three.
Not really.
I'm not talking about where they would fit with their powersets, I'm talking rankings based on how representative they are of their companies.
Marvel is Spiderman, through and through. That's their biggest draw.
DC is Batman or Superman depending on whatever happens to be going on that year.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not really.I'm not talking about where they would fit with their powersets, I'm talking rankings based on how much representative they are of their companies.
Marvel is Spiderman, through and through. That's their biggest draw.
DC is Batman or Superman depending on whatever happens to be going on that year.
Yeah but Marvel has been building up for this Thor movie for a while. With the failure of the Hulk films. Thor is Marvel's golden boy heavy hitter.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIt's pretty damn interesting though and I can see why it has. I really don't think of green lanterns as cool but the stories are interesting and very cool villains.
I'd have to look at the recent trend of Diamond Distribution top 100.Hell, in DC, Green Lantern has blown Superman out of the damn water in terms of sales and has been for years.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's pretty damn interesting though and I can see why it has. I really don't think of green lanterns as cool but the stories are interesting and very cool villains.
Oh, I agree. I think DC was really surprised to see how huge GL has gotten over the past few years. Now, Johns is starting to burn himself out on GL, but the character/mythos has enjoyed a non-stop surge in popularity (and well deserved, imo) from Rebirth to Brightest Day.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah but Marvel has been building up for this Thor movie for a while. With the failure of the Hulk films. Thor is Marvel's golden boy heavy hitter.
Well, I do agree that Thor's stock with editorial is probably going to get a big boost if he is a box office success.
But with the way Marvel tends to work, I doubt Thor will ever become their 'Superman'.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI also think even the most die hard superman fans would agree focusing on other characters also makes superman better. Too much of him I am sure irritates his fans as he's in a lot of crap as would be any character with that many tie ins or monthly's.
Oh, I agree. I think DC was really surprised to see how huge GL has gotten over the past few years. Now, Johns is starting to burn himself out on GL, but the character/mythos has enjoyed a non-stop surge in popularity (and well deserved, imo) from Rebirth to Brightest Day.
Less to me is always better.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hal Jordan may push Wonder Woman out to form a new 'big three', but a GL will probably never be as synonymous with DC as Bruce or Clark are.
Yeah, topping Supeman and Batman in terms of popularity and the household name thing won't be happening, but in terms of what's "cool", Clark hasn't been it for a while. Batman has the whole "badass" persona and dark and gritty storytelling. And Green Lantern is basically Star Wars in superheroic form. Superman gets the nod for who he is and his place in DC, but his fandom has waned considerably.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman gets the nod for who he is and his place in DC, but his fandom has waned considerably.
Maybe because writing stories about a being who has to hold back all of the time lest he kill someone and yet he still easily pwns his enemies gets boring after a while.
Really who/what is a challenge to Superman? He's boring. At least Batman bleeds.
Originally posted by zopzopSuperman has challenges just like the Surfer, Thor, Hulk. All of these guys are at the top of the totem pole when it comes to heroes and all have met their match and then some. Just a matter of what you prefer. I really liked classic Thor out of all of these guys. Now not as a character overall but in terms of storylines about how he was living within a race of warrior gods going from one extreme threat to another.
Maybe because writing stories about a being who has to hold back all of the time lest he kill someone and yet he still easily pwns his enemies gets boring after a while.Really who/what is a challenge to Superman? He's boring. At least Batman bleeds.
Even with his upcoming movie I dont think Thor will be given a decisive victory. I think its going to be a short and inconclusive battle that will end with Thor having a slight advantage but Surfer being relatively fine. Then im sure Thor and Surfer will team up and go help asgard against Galactus or something. I hope we just get a good fight. I really like Oliver Coipels art and there is plenty of potential for an epic fight.
Good thread Quan.
Its going to end in a stalemate my friend.
As for the top 3 of Marvel.
As a hero/team... if it came to Marvel gathering forces to take down a powerful villian (the big 3)it would be...
Hulk
Thor
Ironman
Popularity/book seller
Wolverine
Spiderman
Thor/Hulk
Someone that bring in the mullah when Marvel needs the cash...
THANOS
Thanos IS the money maker AND the hype of Marvel. In one month... one issue of an introductory of Thanos, he bring in more money than anyone mentioned in this thread imo.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankDC recognized that you could do things with cosmic storylines that you can't do on mainstream Earth, ie; have real stories with real consequences. They invested in it and now its paying off for them in terms of sales. They've even managed to pull in displaced Marvel cosmic fans such as myself. Marvel had a chance with... Ah nevermind. Not getting into that again.
I'd have to look at the recent trend of Diamond Distribution top 100.Hell, in DC, Green Lantern has blown Superman out of the damn water in terms of sales and has been for years.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What I think will happen: I think Surfer vs. Thor as we expect it to happen probably won't or if it does, it will be inconclusive. A hammer shot here, a cosmic blast there. I think Odin/Galactus will be where the action will be.What I want to happen: So long as it's a good fight between the top two dogs in Marvel, I'll be happy. While I consider himself more of a Thor fan than Surfer, I do acknowledge that Surfer could beat him one-on-one just as much as vice versa.
You could be a good politician... always playin both sides, even though you do gravitate more to one over the other....
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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding Superman: let Morrison or Moore write him again. Then you'll see glory rain down upon him. Supes is hard to write, but the right writers can make him shine.
moore is crazy, though. and not good, morrison crazy.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd have to look at the recent trend of Diamond Distribution top 100.Hell, in DC, Green Lantern has blown Superman out of the damn water in terms of sales and has been for years.
blame two/three years of just plain shit Superman books bar the odd exception too.