Superman wants to kill you

Originally posted by h1a8
Sentry is variable. What does holding a cosmic cube prove?
It all depends on his state of mind, as the comics stated in canon.
Before Sentry took off to fight Hulk it was shown that he wasn't in the greatest state of minds. IMO, Terrax Sentry is the greatest Sentry shown.

Hulk's strength is variable. It is only his potential that makes him a peer to Superman. Not his average. But that is moot since Herc was shown to seriously rock Hulk and a normal Superman is much stronger than him. A bloodlusted or unleashed Superman is way above a normal Superman.

Sentry isn't a variable and Sentry was confident that he had the power to stop Hulk. Terrax isn't Sentry greatest showing, him stomping absorbing man... someone that has giving Thor hell... him beating AM in a couple of panels is a beastly showing and he actually over loaded him. Him running through Doom was a good showing, hell, every hero/ villian feared being around him (minus Thor). Sentry was top of the notch and when he faced Hulk, again, HE WAS OUT TO KILL. Is that hard to understand buddy.

WWH strength ISN'T variable since at his base form, he was classified when Reed and Stark read his power level as being more powerful than any of the Hulks that walked the planet, and again, they read that from his "base" strength. Now let's not go onto all the things all of his incarnations before WWH has done strength wise.

Herc didn't serious rock Hulk and again, Herc isn't helping your argument since well, again, Supes has fought his universe Herc as well and didn't look so good afterwards. Stop basing your judgement off of one fight because its not helping you because Hulk is far stronger than the Herc that Supes fought.

Again, do you see how that works?

Marvel Hercules =/= DC Hercules, for one thing. In terms of feats, Marvel's Herc clearly outshines his DC counterpart. If their positions had been reversed, Marvel's Hercules would have done the exact same damage to Superman at the very least. I don't see how anyone can try to somehow twist that into anything else.

WWH is stronger than Savage Hulk, as it was confirmed several times through out the arc by Reed, Stark, and SHIELD. He was the "angriest" he had ever been and therefore the "strongest" he had ever been. Considering Savage Hulk has strength feats which put him in the higher caliber of characters with super strength, WWH, a Hulk stated and shown to be stronger than his typical self would, at the least, be considered a peer to Superman in strength. You can firmly believe Superman to be stronger still, but to act as if it's not even that close between them when it comes to strength...

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry isn't a variable and Sentry was confident that he had the power to stop Hulk. Terrax isn't Sentry greatest showing, him stomping absorbing man... someone that has giving Thor hell... him beating AM in a couple of panels is a beastly showing and he actually over loaded him. Him running through Doom was a good showing, hell, every hero/ villian feared being around him (minus Thor). Sentry was top of the notch and when he faced Hulk, again, HE WAS OUT TO KILL. Is that hard to understand buddy.

WWH strength ISN'T variable since at his base form, he was classified when Reed and Stark read his power level as being more powerful than any of the Hulks that walked the planet, and again, they read that from his "base" strength. Now let's not go onto all the things all of his incarnations before WWH has done strength wise.

Herc didn't serious rock Hulk and again, Herc isn't helping your argument since well, again, Supes has fought his universe Herc as well and didn't look so good afterwards. Stop basing your judgement off of one fight because its not helping you because Hulk is far stronger than the Herc that Supes fought.

Again, do you see how that works?

Carver can you post the fight of Herc vs supes. I think I have seen it. Herc rocked superman and another superman had to save him. Is that the scene you are talking about.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Carver can you post the fight of Herc vs supes. I think I have seen it. Herc rocked superman and another superman had to save him. Is that the scene you are talking about.

Yep... the same one.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep... the same one.

If Herc would have went after him while supes was down it could have easily been a disaster for supes. I usually give Supes the edge over hulk, but if he catches superman just right I see him being able to do the same thing. Supes uses his speed and its over for Hulk though.

LOL at the argument that since herc rocked hulk that means superman>>hulk, while the herc of DC (a weaker one ) also rocked superman, and it was worst 😆

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
LOL at the argument that since herc rocked hulk that means superman>>hulk, while the herc of DC (a weaker one ) also rocked superman, and it was worst 😆

Either D.C.s Hercules is a lot stronger than Marvel's Herc or it was simply a low showing for Superman where it isn't for WWH (there are no contradicting better ones in the arc).

The fact remains that Superman will hit a lot harder than Herc and can threaten to ko WWH in a few blows.

Also Superman wasn't rocked (as in halfway unconscious). His nose just bleed and he got knocked into a window (Superman is not unmovable).

Originally posted by h1a8
Either D.C.s Hercules is a lot stronger than Marvel's Herc or it was simply a low showing for Superman where it isn't for WWH (there are no contradicting better ones in the arc).

The fact remains that Superman will hit a lot harder than Herc and can threaten to ko WWH in a few blows.

WTF?

You don't have to be as strong as Superman to hurt him. Wonder Woman hurts Superman with her physical blows, and she's not as strong as him. Supergirl can hurt him Superman as well, and she's not as strong as him, either. DC Hercules is strong, but based on feats, he's inferior to Marvel's Hercules. Trying to wave off Hercules staggering him and drawing blood as a low showing is ridiculous as DC Hercules isn't "weak" either. Based on what is Superman KOing WWH in a few blows in a fight without his speed and other powers when WWH's durability is enough to endure blunt force trauma from Mjolnir, to say nothing of his ability to heal?

C'mon, at least read comics of all the parties involved or be well aware of them.

I don't have any problem with the idea of Superman beating WWH, but acting like it's a cakewalk is ridiculous.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF?

You don't have to be as strong as Superman to hurt him. Wonder Woman hurts Superman with her physical blows, and she's not as strong as him. Supergirl can hurt him Superman as well, and she's not as strong as him, either. DC Hercules is strong, but based on feats, he's inferior to Marvel's Hercules. Trying to wave off Hercules staggering him and drawing blood as a low showing is ridiculous as DC Hercules isn't "weak" either. Based on what is Superman KOing WWH in a few blows in a fight without his speed and other powers when WWH's durability is enough to endure blunt force trauma from Mjolnir, to say nothing of his ability to heal?

C'mon, at least read comics of all the parties involved or be well aware of them.

I don't have any problem with the idea of Superman beating WWH, but acting like it's a cakewalk is ridiculous.

Wonder Woman is far stronger than Hercules. Supergirl is arguable as strong as Superman and is thus far stronger than Hercules.

I didn't see Superman stunned at all from the elbow. He felt pain and was bleeding but that was about it. It was a pressure point hit (the nose).

Mjolnir didn't hit WWH. So why bring it up? This is bloodlusted Superman, who would hit with planet destroying punches (no less). I don't see Hulk taking too many planet destroying punches and staying conscious.

Also, hurting someone or knocking them back is not the same as halfway koing them with a hit (where a few more of those same hits would ko).

Originally posted by h1a8
Wonder Woman is far stronger than Hercules. Supergirl is arguable as strong as Superman and is thus far stronger than Hercules.

Originally posted by Mindset
It's a waste of time, guys.

By feats she is. D.C. even stated that her power of strength was greater than that of Hercules (its in her power description along with the speed of Mercury, etc.)

You should really specify which Herc you're talking about...not now, obviously.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wonder Woman is far stronger than Hercules. Supergirl is arguable as strong as Superman and is thus far stronger than Hercules.

I didn't see Superman stunned at all from the elbow. He felt pain and was bleeding but that was about it. It was a pressure point hit (the nose).

Mjolnir didn't hit WWH. So why bring it up? This is bloodlusted Superman, who would hit with planet destroying punches (no less). I don't see Hulk taking too many planet destroying punches and staying conscious.

Far stronger than which Hercules? And what feats are using to support this? Supergirl isn't as strong as Superman, either. They debunked that ages ago by revealing that Kara just didn't hold back whereas Kal does.

He was stunned, man. I don't see how you could get the impression he wasn't. Hercules busted his nose open and drew blood and then punched him away. That's Hercules being strong enough to cause Superman physical pain. Trying to downplay it as anything else but that is misleading. If Hercules wasn't strong enough to damage him, even a pressure point hit wouldn't have effected him, but, alas, he was and is.

Mjolnir's hit Savage Hulk who is less powerful than WWH. So, yeah, considering it was stated and shown numerous times that WWH > any other Hulk before him, it's relevant. Bloodlusted Superman didn't hit with planet destroying punches when he fought Doomsday or Wonder Woman, either. Seriously, man, there are better and more concrete arguments for Superman than this rampant ignorance concerning the characters you're mentioning.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wonder Woman is far stronger than Hercules. Supergirl is arguable as strong as Superman and is thus far stronger than Hercules.

Originally posted by h1a8
By feats she is. D.C. even stated that her power of strength was greater than that of Hercules (its in her power description along with the speed of Mercury, etc.)

She has the Speed of Hermes, not Mercury.

That's Captain Marvel.

Her being stronger than DC Hercules =/= her being stronger than Marvel's, for another thing.

Originally posted by h1a8
By feats she is. D.C. even stated that her power of strength was greater than that of Hercules (its in her power description along with the speed of Mercury, etc.)

hercules of dc were only half the aspect of Heracles
mercury were only half the aspect of hermes

thus i can understand wonder woman being stronger than an aspect of heracles(his true name in dc)

by the way, marvel hercules lifted earths celestial axis (which was revaled to be what atlas is truely holding up)

Originally posted by h1a8
Wonder Woman is far stronger than Hercules. Supergirl is arguable as strong as Superman and is thus far stronger than Hercules.

I didn't see Superman stunned at all from the elbow. He felt pain and was bleeding but that was about it. It was a pressure point hit (the nose).

Mjolnir didn't hit WWH. So why bring it up? This is bloodlusted Superman, who would hit with planet destroying punches (no less). I don't see Hulk taking too many planet destroying punches and staying conscious.

Also, hurting someone or knocking them back is not the same as halfway koing them with a hit (where a few more of those same hits would ko).

Something is wrong with you. Sorry to say this but it truly is. You are trying to pass off someone being stronger than another person and the person doesn't even have any feats.

Marvel Herc>DC Herc.

Hulk comics are a pretty good pick-up... you might want to purchase some.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
by the way, marvel hercules lifted earths celestial axis (which was revaled to be what atlas is truely holding up)

Oh, please don't forget about Marvel Herc holding up the entire universe for a long period of time.