Superman wants to kill you

Originally posted by h1a8
Those things are insects compared to what Superman has done. Holding a planet together? Matching 100 trillion tons of force? That's not even planetary.

Hulk is a peer to Superman only if he is angry enough. But certainly not in the beginning, nor on average. Look at what happened to WWH when he got hit by Hercules with only a few blows. A bloodlusted Superman would do FAR WORST with his blows.

Look at what happened to Superman who got 3 shotted by a Herc with no feats... he got his face busted open. Hulk would do FAR worse.

You see how I turned that around.

How in the world isn't holding a planet twice the size of earth that was splitting in half ISN'T a planetary feat and besides tugging on planets, what planetary feats does Supes have since you want to low ball?

Originally posted by Starscream M
right, the implication is irrational...as is the use of the lifting of book with infinite pages feat

I personally have a low view of any of the planet destroying feats...as I think writers get carried away and don't stay consistent. Most heralds barely destroy their surroundings in big fights, yet they can all of sudden smash a planet with a blow?

so, yeah, you're right, the asteroid feat isn't representative of hulk's average, or even peak imo. but two wrongs don't make a right.

Except that it has been explained.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Jesus f'n Christ.

Superman being KOed after ramming the moon =/= Superman being weaker than Hulk. Shit, if it's not Hulk lowballing, it's gotta be Superman lowballing.

As it was said previously in the thread, their peers in strength. Neither one of them is going to one shot the other. Any attempt at trying to paint one of these characters as obliterating the other easily in a straight up "brick style slugfest" is ridiculous.

Pretty much, and if it doesn't stop, both sides are going to get warnings.

That includes Trick, Colossus, Carver, and a few others.

all you have to do is make superman and thanos off limits (for a while) and things will cool down

Originally posted by carver9
Look at what happened to Superman who got 3 shotted by a Herc with no feats... he got his face busted open. Hulk would do FAR worse.

You see how I turned that around.

How in the world isn't holding a planet twice the size of earth that was splitting in half ISN'T a planetary feat and besides tugging on planets, what planetary feats does Supes have since you want to low ball?

What feat are you referring to about Hulk holding a planet twice the size of Earth together? Any scans of this?

No. WWH has no other feats that contradict him getting rocked like that by Hercules. Superman does. So the Herc feat is valid and not lowballing.

Now if WWH WAS SHOWN to take better in the saga then we can say the Herc incident was a low showing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
all you have to do is make superman and thanos off limits (for a while) and things will cool down

😂

then the haters wouldn't post (unless we gave them someone else to attack), and the forum would lose a lot of traffic. It would be irresponsible of me.

Thanos, though... mmm

Originally posted by h1a8
No. WWH has no other feats that contradict him getting rocked like that by Hercules. Superman does. So the Herc feat is valid and not lowballing.

Now if WWH WAS SHOWN to take better in the saga then we can say the Herc incident was a low showing.

in the zom one, hulk tore him a new assh*le after

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

then the haters wouldn't post (unless we gave them someone else to attack), and the forum would lose a lot of traffic. It would be irresponsible of me.

Thanos, though... mmm

WTF?

Is being "rocked" by Hercules a low end feat now?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
juggernaut and zom/strange did at least the same level of harm as herculese

in the zom one, hulk tore him a new assh*le after

very un-superman like pr..actually no, he is an arsehole too

?

Originally posted by h1a8
I referred to the trillion ton thing as not planetary.

What feat are you referring to about Hulk holding a planet twice the size of Earth together? Any scans of this?

No. WWH has no other feats that contradict him getting rocked like that by Hercules. Superman does. So the Herc feat is valid and not lowballing.

Now if WWH WAS SHOWN to take better in the saga then we can say the Herc incident was a low showing.

You do know that the fight that you are bringing up, Herc outright asked Hulk why he was holding back and also stated that Hulk could have killed him anytime he wanted. You do know this right?

Also, Hulk took much more than what Herc dished out in that fight. Let's not forget that he took a hit from Skrull Bolt that took a chunk out of the moon the size of Rhode Island. Let's not forget that he took hits from a pissed Sentry, Zom, Ironman in his extremis Armor... took Hell fire point blank from Ghost Rider... Human Torch went cmpletely Nova on him... unleashing power hotter than the core of the sun directly on top of Hulks head for a prolong amount of time... took punches from Zeus... etc, etc..

He held planet Sakaar together... you should know this since you are debating against this character.

Using the herc 'fight' in WWH is a joke. Herc didn't want to fight Hulk. And I believe Immortal Herc has beaten Hulk before.

Edit: I'm strongly tempted to make a thread where we put Superman and Hulk in a contest where they have to duplicate the other's strength feats. Just to prove the point that no one with the exception of H1a8 seems to understand.

hulk literally proving the earth was too fragile for him

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Pretty much.

It's everything else that makes up the package of Superman as a character that gives him the win (or loss as it may be) instead of pure physical strength when he's dealing with beings of top tier strength factors.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, I mean when he confronted Thor it was his speed that gave him the win, no?

In JLA/Avengers?

Guys, come on now.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In JLA/Avengers?

Or do you prefer DC vs Marvel, where Superman out-slugfests Hulk in moments? I wouldn't, since it's non canon, but whatever floats your boat.

🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes.

Or do you prefer DC vs Marvel, where Superman out-slugfests Hulk in moments? I wouldn't, since it's non canon, but whatever floats your boat.

🙂

Unless rules have changed and I'm mistaken, JLA/Avengers is treated as non-canon here to begin with, so bringing up Thor vs. Superman isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand unless you had a point to make about Thor, who's not in this thread? DC vs. Marvel is also non-canon and doesn't really prove...anything.

Unless you believe Superman really can one shot the Hulk and he's significantly stronger than Hulk at his angriest/strongest to achieve this feat?

It's canon - but it's not admissable on the forum because a while ago Thor/Marvel fanboys were butthurt about it so they managed to convince the mods to ban it.

And yes, actually it is quite relevant, since it directly shows the opposite of what you're trying to push, as do many other comics. Superman's superior physical strength was what gave him the win, not "the main factor, speed".

Originally posted by psycho gundam
when it comes to superman vs any other titans of strength, it's his speed that is the main factor imo, not his physical strength stacking up to theirs (unless it's like wonder woman or someone lower than that)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Pretty much.

It's everything else that makes up the package of Superman as a character that gives him the win (or loss as it may be) instead of pure physical strength when he's dealing with beings of top tier strength factors.

Wait.

You actually agreed with that, Jake?

For shame.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's canon - but it's not admissable on the forum because a while ago Thor/Marvel fanboys were butthurt about it so they managed to convince the mods to ban it.

And yes, actually it is quite relevant, since it directly shows the opposite of what you're trying to push, as do many other comics. Superman's superior physical strength was what gave him the win, not "the main factor, speed".

So why bring it up if it's inadmissible in the first place? Aside from trying to take a dig at butthurt Thor/Marvel fanboys in a thread Thor's not even in?

How is it relevant to anything if Superman was barely able to beat Thor by his own admission in said inadmissible crossover and likened him to just about the toughest person he's ever faced and Thor and Hulk are in the same level of strength class? And in the non-canon Marvel vs. DC, after Superman beat Professor Hulk, he likewise said Hulk stood up to almost everything he had anyway?

If we accept those as canon and useable feats for Superman, while it does show Superman being physically superior to Thor/Hulk in those instances, it certainly doesn't justify him one-shotting or easily defeating them in combat at all and only reinforces the point I made earlier about Superman not being able to one shot or even two or three shot WWH.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait.

You actually agreed with that, Jake?

For shame.

If they're in his strength class, and Superman's not significantly stronger than them to the point to clearly and effectively overpower them in a decisive manner, then it's not Superman's strength and strength alone that gives him the win. Perhaps I should have been clearer on that front. If so, my mistake.