Juggernaut vs the gods (part 2)

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
And that's relevant how? So why does Juggernaut say "It ain't possible"?

Why does the comic state he's pushed backward?

The Juggernaut fanboyism on this site is completely out of control.

Let me ask you, can Odin kill the Juggernaut?

Look the comic never shows him getting pushed back.

It even describes it as a deadlock and that before the final test of which power is greater is shown the ground collapses.

That's what happened you make it sound like Cain got blasted backwards or something. Which he didn't. Thor used the godblast Cain got hit by it. Was stunned to see something do that to him even for a moment and before we see what happens next ground collapses.

As why people like his durability so much it is because it really just that good at this level. It's his main focus. It's the thing that makes him a threatening villain.

And could Odin kill Cain yeah. He's got the magic mojo to mess Cain up. BUt Odin could kill a lot of people if he wanted to 😬

Originally posted by Newjak

Look the comic never shows him getting pushed back.

I have looked at it. Between the art and the narration its obvious to anyone that the Juggernaut got pushed back.

Originally posted by Newjak
Cain was never pushed back.

The comic even states Cain experiences a temporary moment of vertigo.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I have looked at it. Between the art and the narration its obvious to anyone that the Juggernaut got pushed back.

And Cain was still walking in the next panel pushing against the Godblast I'm inclined to say it didn't matter that much. Oh which was exactly what I was saying 😉

I just find it weird that you're mad that a character has been claimed unstoppable and that you're trying so hard to discredit said comic book character. It's one thing to try and prove why a character loses. It's another to completely try to undersell and undermine a character because you don't like them.

I'm trying to make the point that there's a difference between what's actually been SHOWN on panel and hyperbole. And that's not the only time the Juggernaut's been stopped either.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'm trying to make the point that there's a difference between what's actually been SHOWN on panel and hyperbole. And that's not the only time the Juggernaut's been stopped either.

And yes he has been stopped before, but generally there not normal circumstances surrounding it. It's not like it's an easy thing to do. Nor is it common place, nor is it something a weak character can pull off, nor is it something that a purely physical character has been shown to do.

It's like you're trying to argue the character isn't powerful because he has in a long history had some moments that doesn't equate to him being unbeatable. Everyone gets defeated, even high end omniverse threats get defeated doesn't make them any less powerful.

Originally posted by Newjak
So the whole point is that you're mad people shout his famous Juggernaut line and says he wins.

And yes he has been stopped before, but generally there not normal circumstances surrounding it. It's not like it's an easy thing to do. Nor is it common place, nor is it something a weak character can pull off, nor is it something that a purely physical character has been shown to do.

It's like you're trying to argue the character isn't powerful because he has in a long history had some moments that doesn't equate to him being unbeatable. Everyone gets defeated, even high end omniverse threats get defeated doesn't make them any less powerful.

I would hardly argue he's not powerful, but when there's people claiming he's beating Odin, that he can't be killed, that he never feels pain, that he can't be physically beaten by ANYBODY, (and yes I've seen every single on of those things claimed on this site) the only explanation is that people are placing too much weight on hyperbole.

He grunts from impact forces, but Classic Juggernaut at full power has never been hurt. He's had just about all of the mystic energy that powers him drained by D'Spayre, then had that same energy turned on him and been reduced to nothing but a skeleton. He didn't even say ouch. Oh, and he survived that because he was an engine of pure rage and mystical energy. And so far he hasn't been killed...people have tried, but it's never worked.

And he probably could tangle with Odin if he kept it hand to hand. As a Skyfather though, Odin obviously outranks him power wise.

And he's never been physically beaten by ANYBODY.

War Hulk beat him, but he was amped by enormous amounts of Celestial tech.

WWH stopped his charge when they locked up, but Jugghead was winning their test of strength when WWH used a swim move to get around him.

Etc... Never been physically beaten by anybody.

Other versions of Juggernaut don't count though.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I would hardly argue he's not powerful, but when there's people claiming he's beating Odin, that he can't be killed, that he never feels pain, that he can't be physically beaten by ANYBODY, (and yes I've seen every single on of those things claimed on this site) the only explanation is that people are placing too much weight on hyperbole.

Characters get that all the time. I understand wanting to set them straight but the way you come off is downright the opposite end where to you're trying to down play said character so much you're going to the other extreme.

Cain is herald level period. High end maybe not but he is at that level. And he's a lot like the Flash. He has particular niche that he excels at. Namely durability, can he take everything no but he can take a lot and like the Flash like Surfer like Superman can in fact go over his limit under the right circumstances or into areas most people would call BS on.

In his case his ability to take damage is so ridiculous it allows him to hang in situations where most other highly powerful characters couldn't. Namely he can out last say a physical encounter with Odin, not saying he could beat Odin but I do see him able to take his fair share of licks from one-eye? Yes he could cause it's his deal like I think Flash's speed would let him hang in with Odin as long as Odin isn't busting out the all powerful skyather level mojo that makes speed and durability moot.

People also thought the Hulk could hang with Zeus H2H. I don't see Juggernaut lasting very long with Odin, even H2H.

Originally posted by KingD19
WWH stopped his charge when they locked up, but Jugghead was winning their test of strength when WWH used a swim move to get around him.

WWH never stopped Juggs.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
People also thought the Hulk could hang with Zeus H2H. I don't see Juggernaut lasting very long with Odin, even H2H.

Like I said circumstances. Juggernaut is known for his durability and can take a shitload more punishment then Hulk can cause of it.

Therefore you put Cain in Hulk's place in the Zeus fight. Cain may get knocked around like a pinball but he is gonna keep getting up matter because that is what he does.

Cain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk in durability

Although I do think Cain would be more than able to give in the strength department because he is insanely strong as well like the Hulk.

People need to stop with the "That GF blast was weakened" nonsense. No where is it stated on panel it was weakened and Thor overcame the seizures a few panels before he fired it.

Juggernaut clears this without much trouble.

^Stop being stupid.

Originally posted by Newjak
Maybe the same reason it says he experienced a temporary moment of vertigo 😬

Look the comic never shows him getting pushed back.

It even describes it as a deadlock and that before the final test of which power is greater is shown the ground collapses.

That's what happened you make it sound like Cain got blasted backwards or something. Which he didn't. Thor used the godblast Cain got hit by it. Was stunned to see something do that to him even for a moment and before we see what happens next ground collapses.

As why people like his durability so much it is because it really just that good at this level. It's his main focus. It's the thing that makes him a threatening villain.

And could Odin kill Cain yeah. He's got the magic mojo to mess Cain up. BUt Odin could kill a lot of people if he wanted to 😬

Read:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut14.jpg

Cain was not only stopped, but pushed back. God Blast > Juggernaut's "I'm unstoppable" enchantment.

If Mjolnir can remove his invulnerability, I'd wager Odin could just straight up punch him into the ER, force field and all.

I think it's reasonable to say that while it was the same ability that Thor used against Galactus and the Celestial, it wasn't at the same power level.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think it's reasonable to say that while it was the same ability that Thor used against Galactus and the Celestial, it wasn't at the same power level.

Why though? Thor was REALLY trying to humble the Juggernaut why wouldn't it be the same power level?

I checked Thor 389 because I thought when he wrapped Mjolnir with his Belt of Strength that it would amp his Godblast, but that's not why he wrapped Mjolnir in his belt, it was to fortify his hammer not amp his blast.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why though? Thor was REALLY trying to humble the Juggernaut why wouldn't it be the same power level?

I checked Thor 389 because I thought when he wrapped Mjolnir with his Belt of Strength that it would amp his Godblast, but that's not why he wrapped Mjolnir in his belt, it was to fortify his hammer not amp his blast.

If you honestly think Juggernaut's durability is greater than a Celestial or that of Galactus you just need to never talk about comics ever again.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If you honestly think Juggernaut's durability is greater than a Celestial or that of Galactus you just need to never talk about comics ever again.

You realize even without the Godblast, Thor cracked Exitar's exoskeleton right? Has Thor ever gotten through the Juggernaut's forcefield with mere hammer blows?

A Godblast cracked Exitar's skull. Thor fired off a Godblast at Juggernaut and all he did was complain about being pushed back.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Stop being stupid.

Read:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut14.jpg

Cain was not only stopped, but pushed back. God Blast > Juggernaut's "I'm unstoppable" enchantment.

If Mjolnir can remove his invulnerability, I'd wager Odin could just straight up punch him into the ER, force field and all.

And then you're also ignoring the very next panels where Cain starts pushing back against it and is no longer getting moved backwards if he was getting moved backwards at all 😬

And yes I very much dount Odin would punch Cain into the ER based solely on a physical punch.

^Indeed. The vertigo probably explains why Juggernaut felt like he was getting pushed back.

And no, Odin couldn't do shit to Juggernaut physically.