Juggernaut vs the gods (part 2)

Originally posted by Newjak
You know if you really want to play semantics Rage. All it says is Cain can feel himself getting pushed back not that he was getting pushed back.

And then you're also ignoring the very next panels where Cain starts pushing back against it and is no longer getting moved backwards if he was getting moved backwards at all 😬

And yes I very much dount Odin would punch Cain into the ER based solely on a physical punch.

facepalm

This is not a game of semantics. This is called reading. Something that you're taught from very early on in life.

"But, even as the ever determined Juggernaut strains to regain his forward momentum--"

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut15.jpg

Now, what does that tell us class?

(1) That Juggernaut was being pushed back (This being in doubt at all is plain stupidity by the way) and (2) that he never actually started moving forward.

If you're going to keep this up however, just say so and I won't reply.

For the record, Odin would put him in the hospital.

Thor, War Hulk, Captain Universe, Onslaught have all kicked his ass bereft of the force field. Then there's Professor Hulk, Shatterstar, the Exemplar etc. all causing him physical pain.

Juggernaut's not invulnerable. Only his fan club pretends he is.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
^Indeed. The vertigo probably explains why Juggernaut felt like he was getting pushed back.

And no, Odin couldn't do shit to Juggernaut physically.

Why do people have such difficulty reading?

"...Cain Mark experiences an unaccustomed moment of vertigo and total disbelief--as he unexpectedly feels himself being pushed back."

Juggernaut experienced an uncustomed moment of vertigo and disbelief because he was being pushed back.

Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why though? Thor was REALLY trying to humble the Juggernaut why wouldn't it be the same power level?

I checked Thor 389 because I thought when he wrapped Mjolnir with his Belt of Strength that it would amp his Godblast, but that's not why he wrapped Mjolnir in his belt, it was to fortify his hammer not amp his blast.

😬 You just answered your own question.

rage, juggernaut is invincible. the few instances where he was hurt are inconsistent and most likely PIS or just Cain still mentally thinking of the pain than actually feeling it.

odin could bfr juggy but he cannot ko juggy and would lose if he went melee.

Originally posted by Starscream M
rage, juggernaut is invincible. the few instances where he was hurt are inconsistent and most likely PIS or just Cain still mentally thinking of the pain than actually feeling it.

odin could bfr juggy but he cannot ko juggy and would lose if he went melee.

Not really. Once you reach High Herald levels and up, he needs his force field. Seeing as how I can name like a dozen instances where his been affected and/or harmed by physical force, I doubt it's PIS. Seriously, the dude has outright attributed his force field to his invulnerability as far back as the late 60's. Heck, it was protecting him in his first appearance. Simply put, Juggernaut's invulnerability coming from his force field is what makes sense based on the large majority of his appearances.

I've seen Cain indulging in human acts like eating, drinking etc. but that's mostly out of pleasure from what I understand. Juggernaut seems to be fully aware of his capabilities and powers. He understands that his invincible and unstoppable for most intents and purposes. The argument that he still perceives himself as vulnerable to forces which he isn't is not something that's going to fly from what I've seen.

pre-onslaught saga, juggernaut was the impodiment of invulnerability

onslaught phucked him up and he's been going downhill ever since 😬

^Bullshit.

Here's a list I've compiled:
- He was hurt by Storm and Spider-Woman's electrical attack.
- Staggered by an impact with a wind tunnel fan.
- Hurt when Nightcrawler threw a torch in his face.
- Beaten down by Thor.
- Beaten down by War Hulk.
- Brought to his knees by the Professor Hulk.
- Had his eye plucked out by Shatterstar.
- Hurt by the Exemplar Weapon's Master.
- Owned by Onslaught.
- Screamed in pain from a set of kitchen knives dropped by Deadpool (Lawlz).
- Hurt by a blow from Green Scar (Post regaining of power).
- Owned by Captain Universe.

That's a pretty long list for someone who is apparently completely invulnerable. Seriously, the dude outright attributed it to his force field in his earliest appearances:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Bullshit.

Here's a list I've compiled:
- He was hurt by Storm and Spider-Woman's electrical attack.
- Staggered by an impact with a wind tunnel fan.
- Hurt when Nightcrawler threw a torch in his face.
- Beaten down by Thor.
- Beaten down by War Hulk.
- Brought to his knees by the Professor Hulk.
- Had his eye plucked out by Shatterstar.
- Hurt by the Exemplar Weapon's Master.
- Owned by Onslaught.
- Hurt by a blow from Green Scar (Post regaining of power).
- Owned by Captain Universe.

That's a pretty long list for someone who is apparently completely invulnerable.

Originally posted by Starscream M
are all of those actual sustained injuries? I'm sure the list is much smaller when you account how many times Juggy has ever actually showed physical injury...ie blood, gash, bruise, etc

He was clearly harmed in all of them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

That's a pretty long list for someone who is apparently completely invulnerable. Seriously, the dude outright attributed it to his force field in his earliest appearances:

juggy says his ff makes him unstoppable...not that the ff is what makes him invincible.

not sure how you can interpret it any other way than that the only purpose of ff is to make him completely unmovable and unstoppable.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was clearly harmed in all of them.

simply saying 'ow' doesn't mean one is injured.

Originally posted by Starscream M
rage, you might do well to learn reading comprehension yourself

juggy says his ff makes him unstoppable...not that the ff is what makes him invincible.

not sure how you can interpret it any other way than that the only purpose of ff is to make him completely unmovable and unstoppable.

Read. He outright calls his force field invulnerable. It also doesn't help that this dialogue took place while he was deflecting chopper blades. The meaning was quite clear.

Two more:

Originally posted by Starscream M
rage, you might do well to learn reading comprehension yourself

juggy says his ff makes him unstoppable...not that the ff is what makes him invincible.

not sure how you can interpret it any other way than that the only purpose of ff is to make him completely unmovable and unstoppable.

are you serious?

the scan clearly states that he's taking about his durability, as nothing could penetrate his ff.

Originally posted by Starscream M
did he sustain physical injury?

simply saying 'ow' doesn't mean one is injured.

He wasn't bleeding here:

Or here:

But it was quite clear he was hurt.

it said he screamed in pain, not that he was hurt! what the hell man? sneer

yeah, you're right, he can feel pain apparently...still weird though that those things hurt him.

I still don't consider those injuries though...so he can be hurt, but can he be damaged without the ff? that's really the question

Originally posted by -Pr-
it said he screamed in pain, not that he was hurt! what the hell man? sneer

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Read. He outright calls his force field invulnerable. It also doesn't help that this dialogue took place while he was deflecting chopper blades. The meaning was quite clear.

Two more:

although one would think an electrical fence and missles wouldn't harm juggy even without his ff. there's quite some inconsistency there.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it said he screamed in pain, not that he was hurt! what the hell man? sneer

That's a pretty infallible argument.

I concede.

Rage I'm warning you. You are picking the wrong battle if you wish to discuss this with me. I will bury in this argument why because I A) Know Juggernaut better than you ever will and B) I do have reading comprehension. Am I grammatical genius no but if I need to raise the doubt needed to overlook you're simple efforts I can do such very easily.

Now either you take my word on the fact that Cain doesn't need his forcefield for his high end durability. That while yes they're are instances that Cain can be effected that they are A) Rare and B) not without circumstances most people would be able to see.

And C) Cain was only mildly effected by Thor's Godblast a mystical/divine attack that at best moved him back a foot and at worst for you is completely being overhyped.

Or I will spend the better part of 3 or 4 massive posts demonstrating why most of what you are saying is not true or only mildly true once you take context into account.

Which I really don't want to do.

newjak, juggernaut (well, classic juggernaut) has always been one of the most underrated sold short characters on KMC

I myself have debated against rage in the past re: thor vs juggy and he just continues to lowball classic juggy for whatever reason. I doubt your posts will convince him otherwise.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thanks for the scans...these do support your point better

although one would think an electrical fence and missles wouldn't harm juggy even without his ff. there's quite some inconsistency there.

Whether or not they could harm him isn't the point.