Originally posted by Starscream M
newjak, juggernaut (well, classic juggernaut) has always been one of the most underrated sold short characters on KMC
You're being sarcastic, right?
I think Rage has clearly shown the Juggernaut can be hurt. Its absolutely asinine to think otherwise. Do you guys believe someone like the Living Tribunal can't hurt the Juggernaut?
Originally posted by Starscream MI wouldn't be out to convince him I would be out to discredit him on this matter entirely.
newjak, juggernaut (well, classic juggernaut) has always been one of the most underrated sold short characters on KMCI myself have debated against rage in the past re: thor vs juggy and he just continues to lowball classic juggy for whatever reason. I doubt your posts will convince him otherwise.
It's one thing to say something but to lowball another character especially from someone who represents Thor so much, another notorious character for being lowballed is imo extreme disrespect from one person to another.
Originally posted by Newjak
I wouldn't be out to convince him I would be out to discredit him on this matter entirely.It's one thing to say something but to lowball another character especially from someone who represents Thor so much, another notorious character for being lowballed is imo extreme disrespect from one person to another.
He's not lowballing. You guys are claiming Juggernaut can't be hurt. He has shown otherwise. If Rage claimed Thor could not be hurt, you would be right to show instances that contradict that claim.
Originally posted by Starscream M
newjak, juggernaut (well, classic juggernaut) has always been one of the most underrated sold short characters on KMCI myself have debated against rage in the past re: thor vs juggy and he just continues to lowball classic juggy for whatever reason. I doubt your posts will convince him otherwise.
Wut?Juggernaut underrated on KMC?good laugh 😆
Originally posted by Newjakwell, if you think you can set the record straight on juggy's invulnerability, then please do so. juggy's become a pathetic character on this forum due in part to his recent depowerings but also due to what i believe is misinformation regarding his classic version.
I wouldn't be out to convince him I would be out to discredit him on this matter entirely.It's one thing to say something but to lowball another character especially from someone who represents Thor so much, another notorious character for being lowballed is imo extreme disrespect from one person to another.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisso if someone claimed flash is superfast...and I showed scans of streetlevelers tagging him, then I prove them wrong?
He's not lowballing. You guys are claiming Juggernaut can't be hurt. He has shown otherwise. If Rage claimed Thor could not be hurt, you would be right to show instances that contradict that claim.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisNo you are claiming that Juggernaut could be hurt based on the most asinine showings when I've routinely told you guys that Cain deals with pain differently then your average brick. That is very definition of lowballing. It's like stating that since Flash gets tagged by a normal level person once and awhile that obvious is slow.
He's not lowballing. You guys are claiming Juggernaut can't be hurt. He has shown otherwise. If Rage claimed Thor could not be hurt, you would be right to show instances that contradict that claim.
Originally posted by Newjak
Rage I'm warning you. You are picking the wrong battle if you wish to discuss this with me. I will bury in this argument why because I A) Know Juggernaut better than you ever will and B) I do have reading comprehension. Am I grammatical genius no but if I need to raise the doubt needed to overlook you're simple efforts I can do such very easily.Now either you take my word on the fact that Cain doesn't need his forcefield for his high end durability. That while yes they're are instances that Cain can be effected that they are A) Rare and B) not without circumstances most people would be able to see.
And C) Cain was only mildly effected by Thor's Godblast a mystical/divine attack that at best moved him back a foot and at worst for you is completely being overhyped.
Or I will spend the better part of 3 or 4 massive posts demonstrating why most of what you are saying is not true or only mildly true once you take context into account.
Which I really don't want to do.
Warning me? Lol.
Why would I take your word for it?
Listen bud, I'm not going to argue that Storm and Spider Woman are going to blast him into submission or anything so don't star worrying. I simply believe Cain should be basically invulnerable up until he reaches High Herald level force and above, in which case, he needs the force field to stay invulnerable. This is me honestly trying to be objective and fair based on what I've seen.
Cain being hurt or affected by physical force is hardly rare and I am not aware of any circumstances in the scenes I mentioned.
Still on the God Blast? I thought we settled that bit? He was being pushed back. End of story.
baka Since you're such a sporting fellow, I'll meet you half way.
Just make a brief note of the context I left out besides each point:
- He was hurt by Storm and Spider-Woman's electrical attack.
- Staggered by an impact with a wind tunnel fan.
- Hurt when Nightcrawler threw a torch in his face.
- Beaten down by Thor.
- Beaten down by War Hulk.
- Brought to his knees by the Professor Hulk.
- Had his eye plucked out by Shatterstar.
- Hurt by the Exemplar Weapon's Master.
- Owned by Onslaught.
- Hurt by a blow from Green Scar (Post regaining of power).
- Owned by Captain Universe.
That way, we can make this brief and short. And there better be actual context that I'm missing and not stupid shit like it's PIS.
Originally posted by Starscream MI really shouldn't think I should have to. It's like someone trying to say Hulk isn't incredibly strong or that Superman can't take it to people outside of his power class physically. It's a point that shouldn't need to be made.
well, if you think you can set the record straight on juggy's invulnerability, then please do so. juggy's become a pathetic character on this forum due in part to his recent depowerings but also due to what i believe is misinformation regarding his classic version.
I would discuss other more theoretical aspects of characters then trying to tear them down.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
He's not lowballing. You guys are claiming Juggernaut can't be hurt. He has shown otherwise. If Rage claimed Thor could not be hurt, you would be right to show instances that contradict that claim.
Bingo. The issue is whether Juggernaut is invulnerable without his force field, not whether he's had lower and higher end showings.
Originally posted by KingD19yeah, and also juggy is usually toying with thor whereas thor is giving juggy his absolute best, so its not even really a even fight.
So Cain got pushed back a foot or two, fact is he wasn't really hurt or even knocked down, and before he could keep going the battlefield was destroyed.In every fight with Thor and Juggernaut...hasn't Thor won by BFR?
if juggy was serious, he would stomp thor with little effort.
Originally posted by Newjak
I wouldn't be out to convince him I would be out to discredit him on this matter entirely.It's one thing to say something but to lowball another character especially from someone who represents Thor so much, another notorious character for being lowballed is imo extreme disrespect from one person to another.
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