I'd have to give it to Kenpachi. At the end of the day an all-out kenpachi is just too ridiculous. I'd reference their fight during the filler season, but neither went beyond messing around if I remember correctly. But based on the fact that Kenpachi could one shot the fourth espada I don't think Byakuya could take him. Kenpachi is definitely taking some damage, but like his fight with Tousen once he gets ahold of him it's game blouses.
That one dude...the little brother of the hot chick with the pyrotechnics...said that Byakuya (We're on a first name basis, Kuchiki-sama and I) had more reiatesu than Kenpachi. This was in the manga. It was when they were on the bridge rescuing Rukia.
Also, Renji's sword (towards the very end when he was running out of reiatesu) couldn't cut Byakuya in their fight when they fought near the pillars in the same arc. This should prove how much reiryoku that he has.
That said, Sea Shell head has better swordsmanship and longer ranged attacks. Kenpachi goes down despite the fact that Kenpachi is my favorite character from Bleach.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That one dude...the little brother of the hot chick with the pyrotechnics...said that Byakuya (We're on a first name basis, Kuchiki-sama and I) had more reiatesu than Kenpachi. This was in the manga. It was when they were on the bridge rescuing Rukia.
What, Ganju Shiba?
He said Byakuya's is "at least as great," as Zaraki's, yea.
He's also only met eyepatched Zaraki. He has never encountered Kenpachi's true reiatsu.
Originally posted by Q99
He's also only met eyepatched Zaraki. He has never encountered Kenpachi's true reiatsu.
That's true: that's what Nemebro said.
And, no, he said Byakuya's was greater, not the same.
And, Byakuya wasn't "flexing" his reiryoku all the way, either. 🙂 This is the argument I posed to Nemebro. Byakuya also had much better control over his reiyoku than Kenpachi so a case could be made that Byakuya is much stronger than Kenpachi in the reiatsu department and it not be completely baseless.
And to properly represent, I believe Nemebro countered the above with something like, "Ganju is a newb and is not an expert." And, "Ganju was much further away from Kenpachi so he couldn't have felt it as well." And, "Ganju was collapsing under Kenpachi's pressure and he didn't next to Byakuya's."
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, he said Byakuya's was greater, not the same.
In the translation I have, "at least as great," is a quote.
And, Byakuya wasn't "flexing" his reiryoku all the way, either. 🙂 This is the argument I posed to Nemebro. Byakuya also had much better control over his reiyoku than Kenpachi so a case could be made that Byakuya is much stronger than Kenpachi in the reiatsu department and it not be completely baseless.
I'm not talking about 'flexing' all the way, neither were going all-out around Ganju. I'm talking about Kenpachi has an eyepatch that specifically eats a large amount of his reiatsu that produces a noticeable power boost when removed. Byakuya doesn't have something similar.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm not talking about 'flexing' all the way, neither were going all-out around Ganju. I'm talking about Kenpachi has an eyepatch that specifically eats a large amount of his reiatsu that produces a noticeable power boost when removed. Byakuya doesn't have something similar.
In all honesty, I fail to see how that actually addresses anything I've stated.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Do you people really want to engage in A>B>C he said she said logic?Because if we're gonna do that, well, Ichigo defeated Kenny who was going all out by being angry and stuff. It took Bankai plus hollow form to beat Byakuya.
So. Seems pretty obvious what's what, using that logic.
Also points I made to Nemebro when we had our argument. 🙂
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Do you people really want to engage in A>B>C he said she said logic?Because if we're gonna do that, well, Ichigo defeated Kenny who was going all out by being angry and stuff. It took Bankai plus hollow form to beat Byakuya.
So. Seems pretty obvious what's what, using that logic.
Re: Byakuya Kuchiki vs Kenpachi Zaracki
Originally posted by McNasty996
Byakuya KuchikiVs
Kenpachi Zaracki
Fight to ko, incapacitation, or kill
Both are willing to fight to full capabilities
Zaracki is serious about the match
Byakuya's greater versatility and skill advantage will trump Zaraki's raw power and durability, IMO.
Originally posted by dadudemonStop name-dropping me, insect.
Also points I made to Nemebro when we had our argument. 🙂
Kenpachi had enough raw physical power to cut through released Nnoitra's Hierro, and just demonstrates superior physical attributes to Byakuya in general.
Now it is true that Ganju said that Byakuya's reitsu was as strong, or even stronger than Kenpachi's, as shown here:
http://www.mangareader.net/94-570-9/bleach/chapter-116.html
But fact of the matter is, Kenpachi was wearing his eyepatch when Ganju saw him. As we know, without it, Kenpachi is much more powerful.
Now, you may try to use the "Byakuya was not flexing it" argument, but flexing Reitsu does not increase it. All it does is direct your Reitsu onto your foe, harming them. It does not make it larger. So it is not an argument.
Granted, Byakuya is faster, more versatile, and obviously a better ranged combatant than Kenpachi, so that could give him the win. But it will not be due to Byakuya having greater Reitsu..
Originally posted by dadudemon
In all honesty, I fail to see how that actually addresses anything I've stated.
I don't see how it doesn't.
Kenpachi had a literal artifact noticeably reducing his total spirit pressure when Ganju met him. Byakuya did not.
Ganju's statement is thus made with incomplete information, based on the two in two different conditions.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Stop name-dropping me, insect.
Not only is my reply "no", you definitely can go om nom my giblets. Those arguments lasted days and they are forever burned in my memory.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kenpachi had enough raw physical power to cut through released Nnoitra's Hierro, and just demonstrates superior physical attributes to Byakuya in general.
And, Apparantly, Byakuya defeated the 0 Espada with Kenpachi so obviously, there's a strength comparison to be had.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Now it is true that Ganju said that Byakuya's reitsu was as strong, or even stronger than Kenpachi's, as shown here:
I knew I wasn't lying.
Originally posted by NemeBro
But fact of the matter is, Kenpachi was wearing his eyepatch when Ganju saw him. As we know, without it, Kenpachi is much more powerful.
Deja vu. We've had this conversation before. Byakuya wasn't flexing his rieryoku nearly as much as he could, at the moment...just the same as Kenpachi wasn't because he still had his eye patch on. If you want maximum reiatsu flexing...that would be full power bankai on top of execution hill. Since Kenpachi comes no where close to releasing that much reiatsu any anything he's done, he cannot have greater reiatsu. At least, not until he can use his bankai.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Now, you may try to use the "Byakuya was not flexing it" argument, but flexing Reitsu does not increase it. All it does is direct your Reitsu onto your foe, harming them. It does not make it larger. So it is not an argument.
Incorrect. "Flexing" it is actually using it to power up very similar to DBZ characters. When Yamamoto finally flexed his, it caused a Lieutenant to collapse, and he wasn't directing it at any particular person. The same with Ichigo when he was approaching Byakuya and Rukia on the bridge (cept he can't help it because he has so much of it).
You can actually increase or decrease your reiatsu by strengthening how much rieryoku you are flexing.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Granted, Byakuya is faster, more versatile, and obviously a better ranged combatant than Kenpachi, so that could give him the win. But it will not be due to Byakuya having greater Reitsu..
Byakuya would be in the range of Kenpachi, in the rieryoku power stores, at a minimum.
Official databook puts him at 90 in offense and Kenpachi at 100, so it's not as though I do not have a canon source for my stance.
Originally posted by Q99
I don't see how it doesn't.Kenpachi had a literal artifact noticeably reducing his total spirit pressure when Ganju met him. Byakuya did not..
The reason I said I don't see how that addressed anything I stated is because my rebuttal to your exacts words were in the very text that you quoted.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Deja vu. We've had this conversation before. Byakuya wasn't flexing his rieryoku nearly as much as he could, at the moment...just the same as Kenpachi wasn't because he still had his eye patch on. If you want maximum reiatsu flexing...that would be full power bankai on top of execution hill. Since Kenpachi comes no where close to releasing that much reiatsu any anything he's done, he cannot have greater reiatsu. At least, not until he can use his bankai.
Originally posted by Samurai100
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Sorry, bro, the non-Canon anime doesn't count. In addition, the non-canon anime and filler episodes definitely do not count.
Go back and read the fight between Ichigo and Byakuya for a canon fight.