Byakuya Kuchiki vs Kenpachi Zaracki

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not only is my reply "no", you definitely can go om nom my giblets. Those arguments lasted days and they are forever burned in my memory.

And, Apparantly, Byakuya defeated the 0 Espada with Kenpachi so obviously, there's a strength comparison to be had.

I knew I wasn't lying.

Deja vu. We've had this conversation before. Byakuya wasn't flexing his rieryoku nearly as much as he could, at the moment...just the same as Kenpachi wasn't because he still had his eye patch on. If you want maximum reiatsu flexing...that would be full power bankai on top of execution hill. Since Kenpachi comes no where close to releasing that much reiatsu any anything he's done, he cannot have greater reiatsu. At least, not until he can use his bankai.

Incorrect. "Flexing" it is actually using it to power up very similar to DBZ characters. When Yamamoto finally flexed his, it caused a Lieutenant to collapse, and he wasn't directing it at any particular person. The same with Ichigo when he was approaching Byakuya and Rukia on the bridge (cept he can't help it because he has so much of it).

You can actually increase or decrease your reiatsu by strengthening how much rieryoku you are flexing.

Byakuya would be in the range of Kenpachi, in the rieryoku power stores, at a minimum.

Official databook puts him at 90 in offense and Kenpachi at 100, so it's not as though I do not have a canon source for my stance.

2. I am not saying Byakuya is definitely weaker than Kenpachi. Overall, they are similar in power, IMO. Also, yes, while they fought together, Kenpachi attacking Yammy with his eyepatch on did the same amount of damage as Byakuya did using his Bankai, as seen here:

http://www.mangareader.net/94-39731-19/bleach/chapter-382.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-40673-1/bleach/chapter-383.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-40673-2/bleach/chapter-383.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-40673-3/bleach/chapter-383.html

So Byakuya with his Bankai dished out as much damage as Kenpachi with his eyepatch did.

2. More than anything Kenpachi has done? You mean this:

http://www.mangareader.net/94-620-19/bleach/chapter-166.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-621-2/bleach/chapter-167.html

Right?

Let us compare it to this:

http://www.mangareader.net/94-567-13/bleach/chapter-113.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-567-14/bleach/chapter-113.html

So, Ichigo and Byakuya put on a little light-show in their clash, but Kenpachi and Ichigo's level dozens of large buildings surrounding them, and Byakuya's is more impressive? Nah man, nah.

Oh and do note that the captains have clearly gotten stronger, so said feats are obsolete at the moment.

Oh, and this reminds me, you have at times used Byakuya being uninjured by Renji's Bankai (Or was it Shikai?) to prove that Byakuya has as much ore more Reitsu than Kenpachi. Kenpachi was able to take a punch from Yammy, and was barely hurt, and he was able to stop Nnoitra's blade with his palm, as well as a Cero from him. That's above anything Byakuya has to his name in terms of durability.

3. Okay. Can you prove that though? I mean, I get you are arguing "Their power increases," but I did not see anything proving that statement. Yamamoto directed his power towards them, he did not simply release it.

4. I see you saying that. I do not really see it being proven. Especially when an attack from Byakuya with Bankai and eyepatch Kenpachi has much the same effect, ****ing up Yammy's face. If we were to use Databooks, Toshiro would be stronger than Ukitake. And despite Blax's inevitable "Well he is" comment, I believe we both know that is not the case. If we WERE to use databooks though, Byakuya would have a 70 in physical strength, compared to Kenpachi's 100. Offensive power is not merely in terms of melee potential.

If Byakuya wins this fight, it will not be through slugging it out with Kenpachi.

Originally posted by NemeBro
know that is not the case. If we WERE to use databooks though, Byakuya would have a 70 in physical strength, compared to Kenpachi's 100. Offensive power is not merely in terms of melee potential.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. I'm sorry. 🙁

Don't be. Those were good arguments.

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. I am not saying Byakuya is definitely weaker than Kenpachi. Overall, they are similar in power, IMO. Also, yes, while they fought together, Kenpachi attacking Yammy with his eyepatch on did the same amount of damage as Byakuya did using his Bankai, as seen here🙁

That's exactly what my point was: they are close in in spiritual power but the nod goes to Sea Shell head due to his greater versatility.

Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/94-39731-19/bleach/chapter-382.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-40673-1/bleach/chapter-383.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-40673-2/bleach/chapter-383.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-40673-3/bleach/chapter-383.html(

So Byakuya with his Bankai dished out as much damage as Kenpachi with his eyepatch did.

All I see is a massive load of PIS as he could have done a gay petal coffin on his head and ended the fight in 5 seconds.

Originally posted by NemeBro
3. More than anything Kenpachi has done? You mean this:

http://www.mangareader.net/94-620-19/bleach/chapter-166.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-621-2/bleach/chapter-167.html

Right?

Let us compare it to this:

http://www.mangareader.net/94-567-13/bleach/chapter-113.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-567-14/bleach/chapter-113.html

So, Ichigo and Byakuya put on a little light-show in their clash, but Kenpachi and Ichigo's level dozens of large buildings surrounding them, and Byakuya's is more impressive? Nah man, nah.

What I see is much greater, pure, dense, significantly greater volume, spiritual power in the first part, and I see a shock wave in the second part. Much bigger difference in the first part. The anime shows the same.

I sense bias on your part.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh and do note that the captains have clearly gotten stronger, so said feats are obsolete at the moment.

They have? I hold that they haven't. We've had this discussions before. What it REALLY amounts to are some moments of PIS (which makes them weaker and stronger, depending on the PIS moment), not a power increase.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh, and this reminds me, you have at times used Byakuya being uninjured by Renji's Bankai (Or was it Shikai?) to prove that Byakuya has as much ore more Reitsu than Kenpachi. Kenpachi was able to take a punch from Yammy, and was barely hurt, and he was able to stop Nnoitra's blade with his palm, as well as a Cero from him. That's above anything Byakuya has to his name in terms of durability.

No, I use it to make a comparison between Ichigo not being able to injure Kenpachi until he focused to compare to Renji not being able to hurt Byakuya at the very end of their fight because Renji also lost his resolve/will.

And, I agree on the second parts: Kenpachi just walks into shit. That does not mean, however, that one is superior to the other in terms of durability. We did not see Byakuya get kicked/punched by Yammy, so we do not know how he would react. We do know that they both persevere with injuries as though nothing happened: the difference? Byakuya does not comment on his injuries nor care, Kenpachi does. That doesn't make Kenpachi weak, though: that makes him more reasonable. Kuchiki was willing to throw his life away against Ichigo without any concern for anything but his prideful rules.

Originally posted by NemeBro
3. Okay. Can you prove that though? I mean, I get you are arguing "Their power increases," but I did not see anything proving that statement. Yamamoto directed his power towards them, he did not simply release it.

You want me to prove it after I already did?

That was just one example of almost every time soul pressure is exerted.

Also, Ichigo focused his soul energy in the most direct way possible to increase his attacking power when he fought Kenpachi.

So not only is a passive leak, a direct exertion, or a flexing of rieryoku, it can be physically directed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
4. I see you saying that. I do not really see it being proven.

I don't need to prove it to anyone that has read or watched Bleach and even knows what reiatsu is. It's like you telling me to prove that Superman's heat ray vision is hot. 😬

Originally posted by NemeBro
Especially when an attack from Byakuya with Bankai and eyepatch Kenpachi has much the same effect, ****ing up Yammy's face. If we were to use Databooks, Toshiro would be stronger than Ukitake. And despite Blax's inevitable "Well he is" comment, I believe we both know that is not the case. If we WERE to use databooks though, Byakuya would have a 70 in physical strength, compared to Kenpachi's 100. Offensive power is not merely in terms of melee potential.

I'm not sure why you brought any of those points up. You said lots of stuff that I basically said already or implied.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If Byakuya wins this fight, it will not be through slugging it out with Kenpachi.

If it came to blows...no pun intended...Kuchiki would still win because he's faster.

4. I see you saying that. I do not really see it being proven. Especially when an attack from Byakuya with Bankai and eyepatch Kenpachi has much the same effect, ****ing up Yammy's face. If we were to use Databooks, Toshiro would be stronger than Ukitake. And despite Blax's inevitable "Well he is" comment, I believe we both know that is not the case. If we WERE to use databooks though, Byakuya would have a 70 in physical strength, compared to Kenpachi's 100. Offensive power is not merely in terms of melee potential.

I think, the databook's not exactly wrong, but it pretty much leave out total reiatsu entirely, which is one of the primary determiners of power in bleach combat.

Byakuya wins.

Kenpachi

Care to elaborate?

Originally posted by Samurai100
Care to elaborate?

Byakuya's speed if far greater than that of Kempachi's; Kempachi has no knowledge of Kido, and Kenny has the brian powah of a kitten.

I really can't picture Kempachi defeating Byakuya...

Seriously though, Kempachi's greatest ability is what...Nuke Slash?

Was asking Stoic, I would definetely agree that Byakuya wins.

I cannot help but think that I should respond to dadudemon.

I probably won't though.

Please do, I literally have nothing else to entertain myself with.

Masturbate?

Stick something up your poopshoot.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Masturbate?

I have no desire to do that. Which is rather strange for me I assure you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Stick something up your poopshoot.

Not the kind to explore new things.

^ Shoot something down your poopshoot?

That is new DP and I believe I just got done saying that I don't try new things! Gosh darn it, freaking pay attention you douche! 😠

As for the thread....Dunno.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I cannot help but think that I should respond to dadudemon.

I probably won't though.

Don't do it: you'll end up getting pwned even harder. It's not worth it, man.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't do it: you'll end up getting pwned even harder. It's not worth it, man.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Your trolling almost manages to be worse than your debating. mmm

T-that's my line. 😐

You're both fairly sorry trolls.

I suppose you can think of yourself as passable debaters.