Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No TMNT is inferior to Cap and Batman in every way, their low level superhumans and top level fighters. He seems to be the only one who keeps arguing that. Ah well.
your sentence structure is confusing.......who is low level superhumans bruce n steve? or leo and goliath
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I meant TMNT. I should have said "they're".
true.. I also dont believe MA would even be a factor as leo has his sword and i dont see cap or bruce disarming him so that argument is moot. the only one with significant h2h disadvantage is goliath, but his strength diff more than compensates
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it was back when they were all bathed in shadow, you couldn't really tell them apart.
yea back in the 80s when the were first introduced, everything was black and white and they were so much darker than portrayed in other mediums
Originally posted by Sin I AM
true.. I also dont believe MA would even be a factor as leo has his sword and i dont see cap or bruce disarming him so that argument is moot. the only one with significant h2h disadvantage is goliath, but his strength diff more than compensatesyea back in the 80s when the were first introduced, everything was black and white and they were so much darker than portrayed in other mediums
So what. The Op didn't state environment nor how far apart they are so they're roughly 10 feet apart and considering the characters in an alleyway or street.
Goliath's strength isn't a threat to Cap and Bats. And the turtles "shadiness" doesn't mean squat. Especially considering Bruce was trained in the league of shadows!
Leo's sword is simply no contest to Cap's shield.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No TMNT is inferior to Cap and Batman in every way, their low level superhumans
prove it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and top level fighters.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He seems to be the only one who keeps arguing that. Ah well.
perfect example of how majority is not a good indicator of who is right and wrong.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
nah man, comic turtles were pretty hardcore at first (the serious series), and they killed oponnentsi believe they started out ultra-violent, but hen with popularity came pussification
Originally posted by Sin I AM
exactly TMNT one they slaughtered the foot and and some regular street punks dum dum has no idea wha he's talking about, but alas i dont read comics
Yea I know you dont read comics, which is why I keep trying to tell you how much your overrating leo. His comic version is more willing to kill, but he simply is not as impressive as many of his TV incarnations.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
, but his strength diff more than compensates
Macbeth who is human has match golaith in a fight using simply superior skills. Capt would beat the crap of of Mac easily, it would not even be competitive in the least. So this idea Goliath strength which has yet to even be proven to be on another level then capt let alone to such heights that it neutralize and compensate for his extreme disadvantage in skill, is simply false.
Originally posted by the ninjak
So what. The Op didn't state environment nor how far apart they are so they're roughly 10 feet apart and considering the characters in an alleyway or street.
Goliath's strength isn't a threat to Cap and Bats. And the turtles "shadiness" doesn't mean squat. Especially considering Bruce was trained in the league of shadows!Leo's sword is simply no contest to Cap's shield.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Based on what? Honestly can you read my arguments instead of dismissing them, because I easily counter such nonsense already.Macbeth who is human has match golaith in a fight using simply superior skills. Capt would beat the crap of of Mac easily, it would not even be competitive in the least. So this idea Goliath strength which has yet to even be proven to be on another level then capt let alone to such heights that it neutralize and compensate for his extreme disadvantage in skill, is simply false.
agreed.
which comic version are you referring to because TMNT have been thru several different publishers so you have to be specific...each house depicted them differently
Originally posted by Sin I AM
which comic version are you referring to because TMNT have been thru several different publishers so you have to be specific...each house depicted them differently
Your the thread maker, and you only said comic version, so I assumed you referring the the original which is the most cannon................
also you do realize that post of my you quoted was talking about goliath, right?
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganAlready have, everyone sees this, and if you don't it is of no loss to me. You'll simply say it doesn't count. The TMNT are above human in their universe. If we're talking about numerous publishers then you have to keep in mind the van lift.
prove it.Not when compared to people like Capt or Batman. And it is very easy to see this from reading there comics. Capt and Batman are on another level.
I also seem to be the only who who read all there comics.
perfect example of how majority is not a good indicator of who is right and wrong.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Your the thread maker, and you only said comic version, so I assumed you referring the the original which is the most cannon................also you do realize that post of my you quoted was talking about goliath, right?
yes i realize it, your point? i was just quoting u to get your attention
there are three different incarnations of the turtles in print; mirage, image, and archie.....mirage was darker, more violent...archie kept within closer to the cartoon, and image had donatello as a cyborg and raph masquerading as shredder, and doing team-ups with savage dragon....so as u can understand there are continuity issues....also since the creator in a 2007 interview stated that if you paid attention to every medium it's ALL canon, and he's going to tie all of the various incarnations into a cohesive whole at some point, as they've done at DC numerous time, it gets a bit confusings .... so you'd have to get an average of all showings to gauge their power levels
which imo is low superhuman....think john steele if you will and you'd get my picture
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Already have, everyone sees this, and if you don't it is of no loss to me.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You'll simply say it doesn't count.
Really try me. Lets see some comic evidence.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWere talking about comic. So lets see this feat then.
The TMNT are above human in their universe. If we're talking about numerous publishers then you have to keep in mind the van lift.
This fight only has Leo and Raph.
Leo lost a hand in the Image series and replaced it with a retractable blade.
Laird later dismissed the 3rd volume and ignored it from canon.
Raph losing his eye in the Image series and doning the Shredder armor is no big deal considering it was ignored as canon as well. He got bitten by vampires at some stage and mutated further into a beast but that effect got negated.
Both are Olympic level fighters throughout their comic careers.
Donatello isn't here. so his Cyborg feat doesn't matter. Shame He is the only one I've read defeat the others in combat.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes i realize it, your point? i was just quoting u to get your attention
Originally posted by Sin I AM
there are three different incarnations of the turtles in print; mirage, image, and archie.....mirage was darker, more violent...archie kept within closer to the cartoon, and image had donatello as a cyborg and raph masquerading as shredder, and doing team-ups with savage dragon....so as u can understand there are continuity issues....also since the creator in a 2007 interview stated that if you paid attention to every medium it's ALL canon, and he's going to tie all of the various incarnations into a cohesive whole at some point, as they've done at DC numerous time, it gets a bit confusings .... so you'd have to get an average of all showings to gauge their power levels
Prove it, it really plain and simple.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
which imo is low superhuman....think john steele if you will and you'd get my picture
Also which comic line, unlike what your suggesting they are not cannon to one another. They are altnerate realities. Tales of the ninja turtles and the original two volumes as well as one or two minis. However Volume three is most certainly not cannon to the rest.