Originally posted by quanchi112
I honestly can't recall which comic it's in but I am pretty sure he has done so.
Thor's teleported Iron Man and Cap out of Asgard during Ragnarok by instantly slamming Mjolnir's handle on the ground. They were bfred in a single moment, no vortex or whirlwinds required.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I honestly can't recall which comic it's in but I am pretty sure he has done so.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThanks jake I honestly couldn't remember where it to look.
Thor's teleported Iron Man and Cap out of Asgard during Ragnarok by instantly slamming Mjolnir's handle on the ground. They were bfred in a single moment, no vortex or whirlwinds required.
I knew tazer was wrong and I was right.
Originally posted by carver9
Marvel have some people that are just like DC peeps speed wise and Thor has done well against them. Right off the top of my head, Gladiator, Hyperion, and Surfer and these 3 alone are just like DC finest when it comes to speed imo.
Gladiator has some decent feats, but he's very inconsistent.
Surfer is much better and when he actually uses his combat speed, which isn't very often, he's good too.
Hype's a joke.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Why did they empower him in the first place? It just seemed like a colossal cluster**** looking at it.Zack: 👆 Glad to see someone enjoys the classics.
Seemed like they wanted to bring about OWAW sooner rather then later and maybe a test for the heroes to become closer. Pretty extreme way of doing it when risking everything even themselves at that expense.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here's something I forgot about:Different physical laws and such would be a very good explanation for why speed operates differently between the two Universes.
We take it for granted that moving DC Earth would be = to moving Marvel Earth after all.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Taking that at face value you make comparisons between DC and Marvel feats in many categories harder to match up.We take it for granted that moving DC Earth would be = to moving Marvel Earth after all.
yep. which is sort of what i was getting at with the thread in general. when it comes to speed and speed feats, it's sorta apples and oranges. 😬
oh and nice find rage.
Originally posted by leonidas
yep. which is sort of what i was getting at with the thread in general. when it comes to speed and speed feats, it's sorta apples and oranges. 😬oh and nice find rage.
Fights have shared Universes, so speed would work as depicted for DC characters and Marvel characters.
People are still running from the truth that in general DC Speedsters are just better than Marvel speedsters and that there are more of them.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I still don't think it would change how things work on this forum anyway, even if it was admissible evidence.Fights have shared Universes, so speed would work as depicted for DC characters and Marvel characters.
People are still running from the truth that in general DC Speedsters are just better than Marvel speedsters and that there are more of them.
In general is the key here. I don't understand why this is such a big debate. 😕
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I still don't think it would change how things work on this forum anyway, even if it was admissible evidence.Fights have shared Universes, so speed would work as depicted for DC characters and Marvel characters.
People are still running from the truth that in general DC Speedsters are just better than Marvel speedsters and that there are more of them.
not sure if people are running. i'm certainly not. dc speedsters ARE well above marvel's. that is pretty clear. the issue--for me--was centered more around the idea that since dc sees speed differently, they consequently have feats that have no analogies in marvel. if that's the case, the speed issue becomes largely undefendable. i was kinda groping for ways around this, or looking to see if there was another view, or if there was a way to compare feats that was..... less unbalanced? not sure exactly. it just comes up soooo often, and bogs down so many threads, i thought it worth exploring more closely.
It's funny, because the Marvelverse is pretty much the only fictional verse that people afford some sort of benefit of the doubt to such a thing as speed in crossverse comparisons. Other crossverse comparisons where one side has a notable quantifiable speed feat number advantage, would simply be subject to 'speed blitz combo/ko over' types of statements.
It's obviously due to Marvel's emminence as a fictional verse being just as significant as DC's that we can oblige the idea that Superman cannot simply blitz Thor despite feats saying he should be able to do so, and even in crossover comics, when the writers collaborate on such things, they obviously never felt that speed was the big issue seperating a win from a loss.
It's a strange thing, and I agree it did need a thread of its own due to the uniqueness of this dynamic.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's funny, because the Marvelverse is pretty much the only fictional verse that people afford some sort of benefit of the doubt to such a thing as speed in crossverse comparisons. Other crossverse comparisons where one side has a notable quantifiable speed feat number advantage, would simply be subject to 'speed blitz combo/ko over' types of statements.It's obviously due to Marvel's emminence as a fictional verse being just as significant as DC's that we can oblige the idea that Superman cannot simply blitz Thor despite feats saying he should be able to do so, and even in crossover comics, when the writers collaborate on such things, they obviously never felt that speed was the big issue seperating a win from a loss.[/i]
fantastic post.
It's a strange thing, and I agree it did need a thread of its own due to the uniqueness of this dynamic.
cool. 👆
There are characters in Marvel who are capable of competing on the same stage as the top end speedsters in DC (although DC fastest is still faster than Marvel's)... the problem is that unlike in DC they just aren't characters who spend a large amount of time in the spot light. I personally believe the reason many of Marvel's more power characters lack any legitimate speed feats is a conscious decision by the Marvel editorial department to keep characters tethered to a more or less even level with the Hulk. Marvel doesn't want to make one of their Top 3 most popular character's essentially useless in a fight with the rest of their characters, so unless the Thor movie propels the Odinson to eclipse Hulk in popularity he will be shackled to peak human speed for an eternity.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
What's wrong with simply upping Hulk's speed to speedster levels?
I don't know, I feel it wouldn't really fit with the "spirit" of the character... plus it would look silly. Hulk getting his ass blitzed and then revealing that he just also happens to be "The fastest one there is!" would be a classic panel though.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know, I feel it wouldn't really fit with the "spirit" of the character... plus it would look silly. Hulk getting his ass blitzed and then revealing that he just also happens to be "The fastest one there is!" would be a classic panel though.
that would be friggin AWESOME! 😂
