Originally posted by Galan007
^ I think Flash-related characters having sufficient speed to initially blitz pretty much anyone in Marvel was the main focus of this thread. That's why I haven't expanded my argument beyond them. /shrugThat said, you likely won't find many (if any) speedsters in Marvel who have -consistent- speed feats on par with the Flashes. Don't get me wrong, there are several Marvel characters who have the potential to beat members of the Flash family -- but they likely wouldn't be able to do so via superior speed.
That's all I'm saying. Just to be clear.
Yeah, DC pretty much stomps Marvel in the speed department. It's not really a contest.
Originally posted by dmillsTo me they are the ones who skew this. Dc tends to quantify their speed feats whereas marvel tends to hyperbolize them. Marvel has some examples just nowhere near as many as dc. I myself tend to go by portrayal more than feats anyways.
Ok so bringing it back to the Marvel vs DC dynamic, is one group of characters skewing this into dc's favor, i.e. the Flashes, or are they just the most prominate examples? If so then this whole thing becomes a non issue imo.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
So what does "You got Quanned" stand for?I ignored him for almost 2 years until I got tired or watching people argue with him on and on and decided to take him off. My tolerance grew a lot since then. So I'm curious...is it some sort of "You got served" thing where he breakdances and mindrapes someone?
It's more like this:
Huge bonus points to anyone who know this scene. 😄
Originally posted by dmills
Ok so bringing it back to the Marvel vs DC dynamic, is one group of characters skewing this into dc's favor, i.e. the Flashes, or are they just the most prominate examples? If so then this whole thing becomes a non issue imo.
It's not just the Flashes. DC in general is just plain faster. And Gog would be a terrible example of someone who wouldn't be expected to have super-speed, considering he was channeling the power of 4 skyfathers and phantom stranger.
No one says Thor is incapable of reacting to speedsters. It's just that marvel has very few speedsters, and almost none on the level of top DC guys. And no one in Marvel is on the level of the Flashes. Under abstract anyway.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's more like this:Huge bonus points to anyone who know this scene. 😄
It's not just the Flashes. DC in general is just plain faster. And Gog would be a terrible example of someone who wouldn't be expected to have super-speed, considering he was channeling the power of 4 skyfathers and phantom stranger.
No one says Thor is incapable of reacting to speedsters. It's just that marvel has very few speedsters, and almost none on the level of top DC guys. And no one in Marvel is on the level of the Flashes. Under abstract anyway.
I hear you, but it always seems to come back to the Flashes. Even in your above post.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestHonored in Marvel as well apparently. Supposedly there's some kind of tribute character that made an appearance during that famous race between speedsters that the Runner put together. Can't think of his name, but it was a play on Barry Allen.
They're the face of speed in comics. It's bound to happen. Flash is an old school legacy character, just like Supes, Batman, Wondy, GL and Aquaman. Barry Allen as Flash was responsible for helping revive comics and starting the silver age of comics. He's got an honored place in the DCU.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestYeah I agree with this.
They're the face of speed in comics. It's bound to happen. Flash is an old school legacy character, just like Supes, Batman, Wondy, GL and Aquaman. Barry Allen as Flash was responsible for helping revive comics and starting the silver age of comics. He's got an honored place in the DCU.
Flash is a main character whose main power is speed. So you've gotta up the feats with him with his speed. Marvel really doesn't have a direct character for reference with that. They have just speedster characters but none that receive the same amount of attention as Flash will.
But like I said I don't think DC's speed stomps Marvel's but DC will bring more speed feats to table which creates a slight tilt in their favor just naturally. While Marvel will do speed feats because characters with speed are forced to interact with slower level characters more often then not cause those street level characters are the ones that get the most attention. That and Marvel also has other outlets that don't require speed usage as much.
So do I think Marvel can contend speed wise? Yes I do but I would never write Thor as being equal to Superman in Speed nor would I write Silver Surfer being able to react as fast as a Flash.
But they have enough speed feats to let us know they can contend if needed.
Originally posted by Newjakhow can marvel contend with dc if you can't find marvel characters to match dc speedsters?So do I think Marvel can contend speed wise? Yes I do but I would never write Thor as being equal to Superman in Speed nor would I write Silver Surfer being able to react as fast as a Flash.
Originally posted by Starscream MBecause even though it is not used as much, speed still does get used in Marvel. Characters have fought in nanoseconds before or have calculated huge amounts of data in picoseconds. So it does exist its just rarer then in DC.
how can marvel contend with dc if you can't find marvel characters to match dc speedsters?
So we know the characters can do it they just don't always do it.
Edit: And since DC characters with speed get to use it more they will slightly always have the edge just because of that.
In General DC is certainly faster as from a company standpoint they place a much greater emphasis on speed. Still marvel does have characters with legitmate speed feats, like Runner, Surfer, Nova, gladiator whose speed when emphasized enables them not to be overwhelmed by the speed of their DC counterparts.
Originally posted by Naija boyso whats your opinion on how Thor would handle superman's speed?
In General DC is certainly faster as from a company standpoint they place a much greater emphasis on speed. Still marvel does have characters with legitmate speed feats, like Runner, Surfer, Nova, gladiator whose speed when emphasized enables them not to be overwhelmed by the speed of their DC counterparts.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so whats your opinion on how Thor would handle superman's speed?
IVe never found Thor to be one of the aforementioned characters with superspeed feats are impressive enough to make him capable of holding his own with the DC crowd speedwise. His other powers could serve as an equalizer though. However in a forum fight with CIS i see superman brawling it out with him similar to the DC versus marvel crossover or at least not blitzing him a billion times in a second.