I've read the respect thread; and I think that a lot of people are dismissing the low-feats of speedsters to put them in a power-bracket they don't occupy in the comics. Zoom may be trans, but most of the speedsters are high herald. Galan, who is generally a reasonable and knowledgeable guy, suggested recently that a team consisting of Darkseid, Thanos, Henshaw, Sinestro, and I forget who else couldn't do anything to Wally West, which would put ol' Wally a bit above Odin, I'd say. Pure...gibbering...insanity.
That doesn't really put him above Odin imo. I read that thread and what he was saying is that they probably wouldn't be able catch him for quite some time. That same insane reaction time combined with the ability to stop motion entirely on massive levels is what justifies this imo. It's not that he's more powerful, just that his powers can either prevent others from using theirs or just avoid them entirely.
Originally posted by Uriel005yes, it's actually his default state apparently
X-man can still intangible right??
Originally posted by SasuOnaSNG isnt really solid. he is pure psionic energy, but he made himself a body by creating a kind of pseudo-matter to interact with the physical world in a more conventional fashion (actually it's for the sake of us readers). however, this pseudo-matter is note really solid and apparently lacks mass. SNG is intangible at rest and flash aint punching or rearranging (which he wouldnt do with CIS on anyway) him. furthermore, rearranging him will acomplish nothing as he doesnt need the body he willed into existence at all. he has desintegrated his body and moved on (as pure psionic energy) to mindrape and take possession of norman osbourne. SNG simply transcends the physical world.
Okay you said hes pure telepathic energy inferring that it would make him immune to the Flash which isn't true since hes still physically taking up space and anything with mass can be rearranged by the Flash.So when I say speed blitz this is exactly whats going to happen.
Originally posted by Blair WindI believe he did that by screwing with the functions in their brains. a lot of energy manipulators/blasters can interfere with psionic attacks, but that doesnt mean they are manipualting psionic energy, I think it's more like throwing lighting at a fireball. besides, there is the matter of power scale and only magneto comes close tot he level of ebergy manipualtiona x-mand and godcable have displayed IIRC cable manipualted the enrgy of 200 exploding nuclear warheads and released it outside the earth.
IIRC, Magneto made all the earth psionics less powerful by permanately manipulating the earth's magnetic field - as in Marvel psionic energy is nothing more than part of the electromagnetic spectrum and runs via earth's field apparently.This and Ironman being able to distort Moondragon's TP so all she heard was static are just some examples of how Psionic energy operates in Marvel.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestit was a ruse, he was playing ares. it's not zoom's power, it's somethign else entirely, but coupled with intangibility, teleportation, area of efrect attacks and precognition, it can counter the blitz capacity
He's getting choked by Ares. And that's......weird. I don't think that's Zoom's power though. I'm not really sure WHAT that is. 😑
intangibility means something to the Flash now?
You would have to be as fast or faster then Wally to teleport away from him before he hits you.
AOE attacks? is that going to happen before or after Wally has already killed Nate?
Precog is only good if you have the reactions to keep up with what you know. For example you know the flash is going to hit you at 10 oclock tommorow but you can't do anything about it because your not fast enough to avoid him anyway.
Now imagine Nate knows hes going to hit him in the next microsecond he would still have to have reactions comparable to the Flash to avoid something like that.
Originally posted by SasuOnareally? how would flash touch him exactly?. even if his body was destroyed, it would mean squat to him, he'd just TK crush or mindrape flash afterwards.
intangibility means something to the Flash now?You would have to be as fast or faster then Wally to teleport away from him before he hits you.
AOE attacks? is that going to happen before or after Wally has already killed Nate?
Precog is only good if you have the reactions to keep up with what you know. For example you know the flash is going to hit you at 10 oclock tommorow but you can't do anything about it because your not fast enough to avoid him anyway.
Now imagine Nate knows hes going to hit him in the next microsecond he would still have to have reactions comparable to the Flash to avoid something like that.
before. Flash is uncapable fo killing SNG btw.
lulz
Originally posted by SasuOna
intangibility means something to the Flash now?You would have to be as fast or faster then Wally to teleport away from him before he hits you.
Originally posted by SasuOnaAOE attacks? is that going to happen before or after Wally has already killed Nate?
Originally posted by "Id"speedsteal might. Vibrating to disperse his energy is another conceivable avenue of attack. But I'm skeptical of both, specially the latter.
Nate phased through Moonstone, Daken, and Bulleye’s attack all at once. Physical attacks won’t do, Wally needs to pull out some metaphysical ones that can effect an astral body….that’s if he has any.
Originally posted by 753
it was a ruse, he was playing ares. it's not zoom's power, it's somethign else entirely, but coupled with intangibility, teleportation, area of efrect attacks and precognition, it can counter the blitz capacity
Not just that but he sees time differently, so Flash won't be able to speedblitz him anyway. Thats how Grandmaster could see Runner and Makkari vibrating at high speeds.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Also there was an issue somewhere about the flash and flight I believe in the nova vs flash event. Wally proved flashes can fly when he was in that big race where Krakkl was stealing his speed for the whole race. IDR where it's from though. Just throwing that out there.
WTH?
ure telling me now Flash's can fly with significant speed?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
lol he did do it actually.
ive seen those scans... why mention flashs can fly as if it can be used as a significant advantage in a fight especially against those who can fly at incredible speeds... this is directed to the previous posters btw like Trickster... sigh
Originally posted by 753
they run through air and even space
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