Originally posted by Uriel005
Also there was an issue somewhere about the flash and flight I believe in the nova vs flash event. Wally proved flashes can fly when he was in that big race where Krakkl was stealing his speed for the whole race. IDR where it's from though. Just throwing that out there.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
lol he did do it actually.
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=549006&pagenumber=2
Xman wins
hrm. not sure. even if nate can perceive him--which i'm not 100% sure he could do--that doesn't mean he could necessarily affect him. if flash actually enters the sf, he could literally out-run nate's ability to find him in time. and just because he's capable of seeing multiple time lines does not imply that he can necessarily 'see' flash.
and for all this talk of plank time, (which sounds very cool) it is still based on the movement of a single proton moving at LIGHTSPEED. if we stick to that definition, wally can move almost infinitely faster and perform millions of feats within that 'plank time'. plank time is the smallest division of time wherein time still has 'meaning' for us (in a sense that anything shorter=break down of physcial science and enter quantum chaos). well, the sf is literally extra-dimensional and exists outside physical laws ALREADY.
iow--flash>>>plank time. and not only flash--anyone capable of ftl can cover the 'plank length' faster than a proton moving at lightspeed could. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
hrm. not sure. even if nate can perceive him--which i'm not 100% sure he could do--that doesn't mean he could necessarily affect him. if flash actually enters the sf, he could literally out-run nate's ability to find him in time. and just because he's capable of seeing multiple time lines does not imply that he can necessarily 'see' flash.and for all this talk of plank time, (which sounds very cool) it is still based on the movement of a single proton moving at LIGHTSPEED. if we stick to that definition, wally can move almost infinitely faster and perform millions of feats within that 'plank time'. plank time is the smallest division of time wherein time still has 'meaning' for us (in a sense that anything shorter=break down of physcial science and enter quantum chaos). well, the sf is literally extra-dimensional and exists outside physical laws ALREADY.
iow--flash>>>plank time. and not only flash--anyone capable of ftl can cover the 'plank length' faster than a proton moving at lightspeed could. 😬
Actually if we take Nate ability to move within planck moments literally, it bastardizes any speed feat Wally or Eobard has demonstrated up to this moment.
It’s not about how we come to understand a planck unit is measured, but how much ground Nate can cover within those units. With the entire time stream open for him to walk through it, there is no way to measure it.
To place it simply, to a cover a distance of one millimeter in a plack unit, is far faster than a pico-second.
Planck Unit>>>>>>>>>>Picosecond.
Planck Unit 10^-43 (1 second)
Picosecond 10^-12
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
All this talk about atto second, pico second etc. Etc... Ughhh... as crazee as it sounds, planck units does trump a yoctosecond, which trumps a zeptosecond, which trumps an attosecond, and so on and so forth... Bleh.... This is wack!!!
Here is a nice little table for reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28time%29
Originally posted by "Id"still makes no difference if wally does a speed force barrier break. At that point you could throw all the measurements of time you want at him and it still counts for nothing as he's moving at rates where time and space essentially become inconsequential as he's capable of moving faster than the limitations of velocity that the universe itself has. Nate will look at the timestream and you know what he'll see. A blitz of nigh unlimited punches wailing away at him faster than anything he could come up with. Unless an opponent is starting at intangible or has a barrier that no matter what the flash did in a trillion years it would still hold up nothing should be able to stop a no holds barred Wally/Barry/Bart Flash as they tap the speedforce directly. Any attack made against them does nil as they step around it in time or just dump themsevles into another dimension and run around it. Their blows are all potentially IMP. Stop dicking around with semantics about how he never tosses more than one because usually thats all he needs and for him to spam them is not viable in comics but based on how it is defined it is perfectly reasonable that the Flash COULD in fact spam them as many times as he can punch. Moving at his absolute fastest the blows would blur into a single consecutive force because the kinetic energy transferred would never have time to disperse and be absorbed.
Here is a nice little table for reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28time%29
It has been proven that the flash can move that fast when doing speedforce barrier break and scans have been posted of him doing so. The explanation HAS been posted for the IMP that explains why it is spammable. I believe I posted that in the Odin vs Zoom and Flash thread.
Now I have shown why the flash is so absurdly broken when actually applying the powers that he has shown in a single fight.
Now prove that anyone can do anything against it. I'm getting tired of posting several scans that SHOW that the Flash is capable of contending with the absolute top tiers. Now give me proof that any of the characters he's fighting with have a way to deal with him at his best.
