Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer is clearly faster than thorhis perception of speed is much greater than thors....ie avoiding asteroids at ftl speeds
I disagree if that's your reasoning. For the record, there's has only been one instance when Surfer's speed has been a noticeable hindrance for Thor and he was amped at the time. His been able to catch, tag, and perceive him even when dodging or hit/run tactics were his goal. Even recently, Bill was matching Surfer in a trans light battle.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok first of all, the belief that speedblitzes or combat speed is limited too punching things really fast is false. Surfer goes around blasting things really fast seeing as he is primarily a blaster. He doesnt need to be punching in order for it to be considered a speedblitz.
Do you at least see the difference between a Superman like blitz and a Surfer like blitz?
What the fastest Surfer has done one of those blasting blitzes out of curiosity?
Originally posted by Naija boy
The reason Surfer and thor are not in the same vein speedwise is because Thor doesnt have those sort of feats in which he is blitzing his opponents/moving,dodging,attacking at superspeed. Neither does he have examples of superspeed perception and processing speed that surfer does. Thors, combat manoevrability and movements are not similar to surfers when his speed is being emphasized which admittedly isnt always but given the multitude of his other powers is understandable.
Fair enough I guess. Thor does have feats that prove his very maneuverable but no accurate description of speed level have been given. What do you mean by perception? Thor can obviously track shit at very high levels of speed. Perhaps not on the level of Surfer, but if he has to, I'd say there up there at light speed.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer might not punch blitz (he is a blaster as i mentioned before) but he does blast blitz and fight really fast when he wants to and thats just as valid. Moreover feats like perceiving and tracking an electronic signal speak very strongly for his overall speed level (movement, reaction, perception etc)
It shows his fast, but not like you want him to be imo. Not in the same vein as Superman etc. Oh, he can perceive things quickly, that much is obvious. Thor and Bill can to from what I can tell. IIRC, doesn't Bill have two light speed level or whatever tracking feats? One from the Surfer series and another from the Quasar team up?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusas has been said, marvel doesn't really utilize much speed in combat (at least to the degree that DC does)
I disagree if that's your reasoning. For the record, there's has only been one instance when Surfer's speed has been a noticeable hindrance for Thor and he was amped at the time. His been able to catch, tag, and perceive him even when dodging or hit/run tactics were his goal. Even recently, Bill was matching Surfer in a trans light battle.
just because someone can match surfer in a fight doesn't prove that they're in the same speed class. iirc rhino even tagged surfer.
Yo.
Originally posted by zopzop
In order :1) Makkari (he beat the Runner and Buried Alien aka Flash 😄 )
2) Runner (he came in third, would have come in second but Buried Alien is faster than him)
3) Gladiator (he engaged Thor/FF/Iron Man at hyperlight speeds when they were using special devices designed by Reed)
IIRC, "B.A." wouldve won had it not been for that damn wabbit........
Tazer
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I disagree if that's your reasoning. For the record, there's has only been one instance when Surfer's speed has been a noticeable hindrance for Thor and he was amped at the time. His been able to catch, tag, and perceive him even when dodging or hit/run tactics were his goal. Even recently, Bill was matching Surfer in a trans light battle.
This isnt a vs battle firstly , and secondly surfer has never really fought thor himself using any form of superspeed blitzing tactic not that it matters. Bill being able to react to surfers attacks was pretty impressive and is evidence of his reactions certainly. However, reactions alone arent enough to put them in the same vein of speed as I intended to describe it. Furthermore, im sure you would be the first to claim that bills feats and thor feats arent interchangeable.
Do you at least see the difference between a Superman like blitz and a Surfer like blitz? What the fastest Surfer has done one of those blasting blitzes out of curiosity?
There is a difference yes. The difference being that Surfer is unable to generate the propulsion to perform these blitzes without the aid of his board. However his bodily movements, reactions, and perceptions still need to be top notch in order to keep up with the pace his board is moving at.
Most times (as in lots of blitzes by characters) these blitzes are unquantified speedwise, but there is the scene with deathurge in which surfer mentions that he is faster than the speed of light while dodging, circling and then blasting deathurge at superspeed.
Fair enough I guess. Thor does have feats that prove his very maneuverable but no accurate description of speed level have been given. What do you mean by perception? Thor can obviously track shit at very high levels of speed. Perhaps not on the level of Surfer, but if he has to, I'd say there up there at light speed.
By perception im referring to something like being able to focus his vision on an electronic signal(which moves at near lightspeed). and then subsequently react to and follow its movements. To someone without superspeed perceptions the aforementioned signal would appear as less than a blur.
It shows his fast, but not like you want him to be imo. Not in the same vein as Superman etc. Oh, he can perceive things quickly, that much is obvious. Thor and Bill can to from what I can tell. IIRC, doesn't Bill have two light speed level or whatever tracking feats? One from the Surfer series and another from the Quasar team up?
Such feats are pretty indicative of his combat as well as all round superspeed. As i mentioned before, without his board he may not be able to propel himself to such levels of locomotion , but the fact that his bodily movements,processing, and perception speed are able to to keep up with his aforementioned immense locomotion while on his board and facilitate complex superspeed battle manoevres shows all round top notch speed whichever way
you look at it.
Oh yeah and i do remember bills perception feats that u are referring to.
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.IIRC, "B.A." wouldve won had it not been for that damn wabbit........
Tazer
Yeah he was definitely ahead of Runner and Mak, but I felt Mak would've pulled ahead like he did in that final stretch. Oh well.
Barring Buried Alien it's
Makkari
Runner
Gladiator
No one else that I can think of from Marvel comes close.
Originally posted by dmillsSentry do so with utter ease now he doesn't have the quantifiable speed feats but I feel his portrayal has him capable of keeping up with or able to counter a blitz from practically anyone as just the Sentry.
^^^ Iirc he was not around or else Frank would've saw him. He came outta nowhere.
Originally posted by inimalistCool 👆
lol, I'm half talking shit to get attention for him...give me a bit... being better than Sentry might be pushing it, but I still think, in terms of the OP, he is a better fit (ie: Sentry might win more out of 10, but in terms of a well rounded speedster, he fits the bill better)
Originally posted by zopzopWhat has Makkari done combat speed wise? Last I saw him he was getting wtf pwned by Gilgamish.
In order :1) Makkari (he beat the Runner and Buried Alien aka Flash 😄 )
2) Runner (he came in third, would have come in second but Buried Alien is faster than him)
3) Gladiator (he engaged Thor/FF/Iron Man at hyperlight speeds when they were using special devices designed by Reed)
