Best all around Marvel speedster...

Originally posted by dmills
Where did Thor own him? That last scan is busted.

its fair to say Thor had the upper hand when the fight ended, but starhawk used none of his other powers

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah but wasn't that Hollywood that owned him? I think Hollywood is quite a bit stronger then Thor no?

I don't know how he compares to Thor, but in Galactic Guardians he seems to effortlessly rip through a fleet of starships.

That, and Starhawk wasn't interested in fighting him, he just needed a favor, and Hollywood attacked him

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Fair enough for the first part.

As for the second, yes, I read his words, but what you said implied an actual feat and not a statement. I was simply responding to that, sorry for the confusion.

lol, ok, here:

note, getting in the way of a blast like this is far more difficult than simply dodging one

or here:

he is able to manuver through his enemies faster than it takes for the light to reach their retinas, or, a poetic way of saying FTL

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Well then, are you saying its a low showing? Also Superior technique is irrelevant in the face of sufficiently superior reflexes, and his presumably should be millions of times theirs.

except that is rarely how such fights are demonstrated in comics, especially considering Starhawk isn't a character that fights other characters h2h very often

there is already a ruling on Flash for this very reason...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
To me, it comes off as a situation where his motor function speeds were comparable to theirs and his overall superior physical stats allowed him to dust them off.

?

he isn't a superior fighter compared to Vance or Mantis, and he grabs Mantis' leg out of the air and blitz attacks Vance. he doesn't overpower them...

I don't see how you could read those scans as him being equally fast as his opponents... /shrug

here Starhawk is able to go intangible before Yondu (who is fast) can't touch him:

Here Starhawk pegs Captain America with a blast, something that Korvac fails to do in the very same issue (ie: Cap blocks), and frankly, given how pimped Cap is, this is a high end feat [sic]:

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Can you post more of his newer stuff? Respect thread I guess?

lol, newer stuff? I think he has like 5 appearances since 1980... 😉

I might do a respect thread, considering I have most of the relevant feats put aside from the tourney, I've just got a couple others I'm cooking up before that, and I'm lazy...

I thought it was made clear that Thor> Starhawk physically.

On another note, I remember Dargo Ktor outperforming Starhawk and the Guardians when the Korvac power fled to his time line. IIRC, a blast from Mjolnir actually hurt him and after, there combined power was not being acknowledged despite them going all out. And I believe Dargo also shattered some ice chambers that were imprisoning them in one throw in the first half. To be fair, I believe he was on the outside or some such.

I don't think Starhawk is more powerful than Thor in most ways...

He might be a better energy light manipulator or faster...

Originally posted by inimalist

its fair to say Thor had the upper hand when the fight ended, but starhawk used none of his other powers

I guess you're talking about the part where your boy Starhawk is falling when Mjolnir strikes the ground whilst his blast hits the roof? I don't see any ownage but its cool I guess. I've seen people on kmc claim more with less.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought it was made clear that Thor> Starhawk physically.

Originally posted by dmills
I guess you're talking about the part where your buy is falling when Mjolnir strikes the ground whilst his blast hits the roof? I don't see any ownage but its cool I guess. I've seen people on kmc claim more with less.

you are right, there is no descisive winner, but I do read it as Thor having the upper hand when the fight ends

I don't think a real conflict between the two would end so quickly

Originally posted by dmills
I guess you're talking about the part where your buy is falling when Mjolnir strikes the ground whilst his blast hits the roof? I don't see any ownage but its cool I guess. I've seen people on kmc claim more with less.

Pretty sure Mjolnir struck Starhawk.

Originally posted by dmills
Not that it would take much to convince you.

I guess not.

I assumed the dialogue and the conclusion of their hand to hand tussle painted the picture that Thor was physically superior.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pretty sure Mjolnir struck Starhawk.

I read it that way also

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think Starhawk is more powerful than Thor in most ways...

He might be a better energy light manipulator or faster...

Well, what qualifies as light in your book? Do you stick to the simple definition or do you include other forms of exotic energy?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, what qualifies as light in your book? Do you stick to the simple definition or do you include other forms of exotic energy?

the writers tend to treat heat/fire/light the same for Starhawk, so I would stick with that definition, and also throw out the caveat that Starhawk has barely over 100 appearances, so much less time to come up with exotic energy manip feats like Thor might have

/shrug

-No need for defensive feat posting mode. I was not asking for more examples of what you already demonstrated with your first scan. I was simply saying the words you used for you second scan were inaccurate. The Firelord one would have been better to use as a feat in its place.

-I don't particularly care if its rarely depicted, comics are notoriously stupid, and its up to us to make sense of them. It's a low showing/PIS if its demonstrable that he's clearly a regular FTL negotiator.

In looking at the Mantis/Vance Astro confrontation, the former is clearly able to dodge a swipe from him before he was able to grab her foot. That's comparable, they are clearly in the same range as depicted in those scans. (and by superior physical stats I specifically meant durability and strength)

Also, 'skill' is next to impossible to quantify in comics anyway. Pretty much every 'Skill' feat can be simply broken down into physical stats like hand-eye-coordination, reaction time and yes speed. So there is no point in saying his speed got him the win over their skill as any MA's 'skill' can be broken down into matters of physical stats like speed anyway. In those scans, their speed was comparable, and his durability and strength were higher, thus he could dispose of Mantis just by tossing her casually.

The Yondu scan is good though, but its also old. Still, Yondu is only like maybe low meta in stats anyway.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-No need for defensive feat posting mode. I was not asking for more examples of what you already demonstrated with your first scan. I was simply saying the words you used for you second scan were inaccurate. The Firelord one would have been better to use as a feat in its place.

you are right, though I had classified the Firelord feat under "defenses" rather than "speed", so it wasn't there when I first looked

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-I don't particularly care if its rarely depicted, comics are notoriously stupid, and its up to us to make sense of them. It's a low showing/PIS if its demonstrable that he's clearly a regular FTL negotiator.

well, sure. Look at the Thor and Hollywood fights, in neiter of those is Starhawk fighting as well as he does against the drone he does the "geometric compounding" of lightspeed on.

However, if every conflict Starhawk had was him blasting to ftl than blitzing his slower opponents, it would make for a poor read, much like with Flash, and why there is a rule about their performance on the forum vs the way they are depicted in comics

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In looking at the Mantis/Vance Astro confrontation, the former is clearly able to dodge a swipe from him before he was able to grab her foot. That's comparable, they are clearly in the same range as depicted in those scans. (and by superior physical stats I specifically meant durability and strength)

Also, 'skill' is next to impossible to quantify in comics anyway. Pretty much every 'Skill' feat can be simply broken down into physical stats like hand-eye-coordination, reaction time and yes speed. So there is no point in saying his speed got him the win over their skill as any MA's 'skill' can be broken down into matters of physical stats like speed anyway. In those scans, their speed was comparable, and his durability and strength were higher, thus he could dispose of Mantis just by tossing her casually.

fair enough, we disagree

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The Yondu scan is good though, but its also old. Still, Yondu is only like maybe low meta in stats anyway.

true, but like I said, Starhawk isn't a h2h fighter. Were he to fight someone, he wouldn't try to take them h2h, so such scans don't exist, especially considering how few appearances Starhawk has in the first place. What is clear is that he has faster reflexes than he would need to take out Mantis, and really, could have just blitzed them as he did the robot. Neither Vance or Mantis could react to such an attack... and Starhawk is generally shown accelerating to ftl and blasting over taking opponents on h2h. I'm not a fan of calling PIS on things, but I would generally consider that PIS, outside of the fact that I do think it shows Starhawk as the faster of the 3.

also, what does it being old matter?

Originally posted by inimalist
I read it that way also

So his appearances are limited to the classic gotg? I have all of the newer Gotg stuff. Anything else?

Originally posted by dmills
If you're talking about that last scan I'm pretty sure Thor hit the ground which caused shyte to start to collapse, not Starhawk. Unless we're saying that Starhawk took a direct shot from Thor -not holding back- without so much as even going "UMPH!" If so he's an even tougher bastard then I thought.

To me it seems like Starhawk's blast and the impact of him crashing into machines brings the place down.

and yes, he is tough, he survives in suns

Originally posted by inimalist
To me it seems like Starhawk's blast and the impact of him crashing into machines brings the place down.

and yes, he is tough, he survives in suns

Originally posted by dmills
So his appearances are limited to the classic gotg? I have all of the newer Gotg stuff. Anything else?

almost exclusively the old GotG, there are some Marvel Comics Presnets, Marvel Team-up, or occasional Avengers/Surfer appearances, but not many.

and at that, it was a Steve Gerber book, so there was more weird psychadelic stuff going on than there was real fighting. It is pretty good, imho

Originally posted by inimalist
almost exclusively the old GotG, there are some Marvel Comics Presnets, Marvel Team-up, or occasional Avengers/Surfer appearances, but not many.

and at that, it was a Steve Gerber book, so there was more weird psychadelic stuff going on than there was real fighting. It is pretty good, imho

They do that same shyte with the Nova/Surfer "fight". Examples of what I consider a character clearly getting phucked up;

Hulk/Zeus
Nova/Lord Mar-vell
Thor/Stellaris
Sentry/Ares
Glads/Vulcan

Those are examples of a character unequivocally getting their ass handed to them 😠

Ok end rant. Back on topic 🙂

Originally posted by dmills
If you're talking about that last scan I'm pretty sure Thor hit the ground which caused shyte to start to collapse, not Starhawk. Unless we're saying that Starhawk took a direct shot from Thor -not holding back- without so much as even going "UMPH!" If so he's an even tougher bastard then I thought.

So his appearances are limited to the classic gotg? I have all of the newer Gotg stuff. Anything else?

😂

Originally posted by inimalist
the writers tend to treat heat/fire/light the same for Starhawk, so I would stick with that definition, and also throw out the caveat that Starhawk has barely over 100 appearances, so much less time to come up with exotic energy manip feats like Thor might have

/shrug

What's his most impressive manipulation feat?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's his most impressive manipulation feat?

manip? probably turning himself into light ala the Yondu scan I posted

I suppose thats not entirely impressive, though I've not seen Thor transform himself into energy...

In terms of light beams, they are stronger than Thor is with Mjolnir (or at least can break a shield that Thor couldn't):

or he can make crude constructs from light (not on par with Aleta, but still decent):

however, they explain the last one as being because he can tap into Aleta's powers, and since they are no longer combined, it is unlikely he still has the constructs ability /shrug

They said the same about Thor, but he has survived similar beatings against Hollywood/etc, though his strength specifically is probably not as strong as it is when he can channel Aleta. The strongest version of starhawk though would have constructs and strength, just not current, though, that may have changed in the recent GotG, where he seems to be present in all timelines [blah blah weird mystic/time stuff...]