Best all around Marvel speedster...

Started by CosmicComet11 pages

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, so just going by speed, his best feat is this one, which is great because it is also a combat feat. If need be, I can expand this point, but unlike a lot of the characters who are fast but more brawler or whatever, Starhawk is [b]strictly a speed character, and his MO is to accelerate to FTL then blast at his opponents.

anyways, it says he goes instantly to lightspeed than increases it through "geometric compounding". if lightspeed = c, than "geometric compounding would be: c + cx + cx^2 + cx^3... etc. Taken with the "multi-erg" (which is a measure of power, like joules), we probably shouldn't try to figure out a quantifiable value, but it is clear that he very quickly can accelerate to multiple times the speed of light:

(notice, he is invisible to the pathbreakers sensors. These are good sensors. In the issue that immediatly preceded the one this scan is from, Starhawk was moving FTL when the robot attacked him. This means the robot CAN sense things FTL, but Starhawk now is moving so much beyond that)

Here we see his ability to dodge at FTL:

and he is quick enough to punk Mantis in h2h:

So, not just travel speed, but dodging and reflexes are incredibly fast.

I think Quan is going to take me up on the BZ, so if you want I can expand on the other stuff, like his durability, strength, healing, attacks, precog, awareness, intangibility, etc, but, you know, nice to keep some aces up the sleeve, and I'm lazy... so lazy....

but ya, with all his other powers, and his style of FTL combat in normal situations, he is a definate competator when considering who is the most effective speedster. My use of Starhawk in the tournament included him as a FTL medic, which by itself is AWESOME. Considering Starhawk can take blows from Mjolnir....

so ya, save turning this into a "respect the one who knows" thread, let me know what else you want to see.
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Idk.

I'm not quite convinced on this.

-The first scan is great. Accelerating to lightspeed 'instantly' is rare. A lot of characters have to build up speed. And he's clearly able to maneuver himself while flying at said compounding speeds so clearly his processing speeds are enormous. If this is indicative of his 'average' then he's very much a contender.

-Second scan, Ben Grimm dodged the same blast. It can't be FTL.

-Last set doesn't look good. Mantis was able to land a kick on him and dodge one of his blows. Pre-cog is not a good explanation for this, if he's fast enough, pre-cog would be useless. He couldn't dodge a shield bash either.

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IIRC, Starhawk had a very good showing against Korvac, and at one point, held his own against Thor!

But yea, that was before they-Marvel- messed with the character's history etc. Seemed to take a downhill from what I remember.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-Second scan, Ben Grimm dodged the same blast. It can't be FTL.

no he doesn't, Her blasts the flying bike thing he is on, and Starhawk says he is able to outrace light as he dodges. The implication seems clear...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-Last set doesn't look good. Mantis was able to land a kick on him and dodge one of his blows. Pre-cog is not a good explanation for this, if he's fast enough, pre-cog would be useless. He couldn't dodge a shield bash either.

no speedster doesn't get hit in comics... and Starhawk has relatively poor fighting skills anyways.

That he is fast enough to beat Mantis and Astro (in a situation where he isn't really trying to fight them in the first place) shows he has very good reflexes /shrug

Originally posted by Starscream M
it was at least as fast as a normal sniper bullet.

we dont know that at all... 😛

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not quantifiable but he's flown to other planets / stars in the span of a few panels. I think he traveled to other Galaxies in a similar time frame but I'm not sure that was canon, it was a bed time story for Franklin Richards or something.

jeez, I hit a collective nerve or something here...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IIRC, Starhawk had a very good showing against Korvac, and at one point, held his own against Thor!

vs Korvac

vs Thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But yea, that was before they-Marvel- messed with the character's history etc. Seemed to take a downhill from what I remember.

things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
vs Korvac

vs Thor

things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS 🙂

Have a question.

During one of Star Hawk latest runs, why did he transform into Gladiator as a disguise?

😆 He did better vs Korvac than he did vs Thor!

Anyway, are we allowed to use obscure characters? Because if so, Tachyon is my new choice.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question.

During one of Star Hawk latest runs, why did he transform into Gladiator as a disguise?

... I'm not sure when that happened, was it the recent GotG run?

I wasn't actually aware he could transform... he is a light manipulator, so appearing different isn't technically outside of his powerset, I suppose.

if you remember anything else about the book you are talkin about, let me know

Originally posted by inimalist
vs Korvac

vs Thor

things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS 🙂

Obscure non popular character? Check
Cosmic? Check
Versatile power set? Check
Fought Korvac on every plane of reality including astral? Check
Stalmated Thor physically? Check

Yeah he fits the qualifications of a dmills favorite character. I'm going hunting for everything Starhawk related.

you forgot to add he was written by Steve Gerber 😉

Originally posted by zopzop
😆 He did better vs Korvac than he did vs Thor!

Anyway, are we allowed to use obscure characters? Because if so, Tachyon is my new choice.

He engaged Korvac on a more then physical manner. The Thor skirmish was purely physical, and he held his own there as well. I dig it 👆

Marvel only Zop 🙂

Here's proof of Tachyon's speed feats :

Intercepts a blast that was going the speed of light :

He achieves FTL INSTANTANEOUSLY :

Tachyon 4 the win 😄

Originally posted by dmills
He engaged Korvac on a more then physical manner. The Thor skirmish was purely physical, and he held his own there as well. I dig it 👆

Marvel only Zop 🙂

Hey Thor put him on his ass in 2 panels 😄 It took Korvac longer than that 😄

PS Tachyon is a Marvel character. See scans 😄

Originally posted by inimalist
vs Korvac

vs Thor

Thanks. Been a while since I read those.

Pretty impressive stuff. I mean, holding your own against a Cosmic Entity like Korvac is one thing, but proving that you're nearly as strong as Thor? Damn.

Did the physical force of his blow against Korvac shatter a planet somewhere in the Universe? Nice.

Originally posted by inimalist
things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS 🙂

I remember Marvel messing with his history or some such. I'll need to flip through my collection. Don't have access to it now unfortunately.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did the physical force of his blow against Korvac shatter a planet somewhere in the Universe? Nice.

No, I think it was a mental thing. Check the narration :

The stunning impact of the blow ripples through the sum of his being. Somewhere in the depths of the cosmos within his mind, a planet shatters and in unison the billion billion souls who inhabit the subreality the enemy's Id scream in utter horror as their entire dimension trembles.

Id, sum of his being, depths of the cosmos within his mind.

Originally posted by zopzop
Here's proof of Tachyon's speed feats :

Intercepts a blast that was going the speed of light :

He achieves FTL INSTANTANEOUSLY :

Tachyon 4 the win 😄

he is ftl, but he also has no power unless someone attacks him first...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I remember Marvel messing with his history or some such. I'll need to flip through my collection. Don't have access to it now unfortunately.

They made him Quasar`s son

Originally posted by zopzop
Hey Thor put him on his ass in 2 panels 😄 It took Korvac longer than that 😄

thats not really unexpected. Korvac attacked him on a mental/energy plane, and that is where Starhawk excels, he fought Thor h2h, and he isn't all that talented in that department.

He takes a similar beating from a future version of Wonderman

Originally posted by inimalist
no he doesn't, Her blasts the flying bike thing he is on, and Starhawk says he is able to outrace light as he dodges. The implication seems clear...

Fair enough for the first part.

As for the second, yes, I read his words, but what you said implied an actual feat and not a statement. I was simply responding to that, sorry for the confusion.


no speedster doesn't get hit in comics... and Starhawk has relatively poor fighting skills anyways.

That he is fast enough to beat Mantis and Astro (in a situation where he isn't really trying to fight them in the first place) shows he has very good reflexes /shrug

Well then, are you saying its a low showing? Also Superior technique is irrelevant in the face of sufficiently superior reflexes, and his presumably should be millions of times theirs.

To me, it comes off as a situation where his motor function speeds were comparable to theirs and his overall superior physical stats allowed him to dust them off.

Can you post more of his newer stuff? Respect thread I guess?

Originally posted by inimalist
thats not really unexpected. Korvac attacked him on a mental/energy plane, and that is where Starhawk excels, he fought Thor h2h, and he isn't all that talented in that department.

He takes a similar beating from a future version of Wonderman

Where did Thor own him? That last scan is busted.

Yeah but wasn't that Hollywood that owned him? I think Hollywood is quite a bit stronger then Thor no?