Regardless of what state of power they are, both Cable, and Zemo have shown excellent battle tacticians. Capable of adapting to situations on the fly. One could also argue to be excellent strategist as well.
Zemo having played Gamemaster. Cable was one step ahead of the SHIELD, and the US government.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You could say the same thing otherwise.Lizard would lose (preupgraded). Many he wouldn't really think of a weakness (like Sandman and Hydroman, someone Spider-Man or Wolverine could hurt by their own means alone).
I'm saying he doesn't need to rely on tactics. Wolverine doesn't fight every person and say "Hmmm.... what should I do to him". He does sometimes yes, I have just seen Spider-Man use weakness exploitations and the like more often in his character, and with more complexity).
Spider-Man brawls more against weaker foes, it isn't his primary strategy against stronger ones. Even in their crossovers when they teamed up Wolverine was shown to be more impulsive in his methods.
To each his own though, both have good tactics, we obviously won't agree completely and that's fine. Glad someone else noticed.
Wolverine stomped lizard through tactics, he did the same to puma while poisoned., also did the same thing to speed demon ect. He utilizes tactics vastly more then your giving him credit for.
And yet he does rely on them so the points mute. No does spiderman. YOu seen spiderman do it more becuase you read vastly more spiderman then wolverine. Not becuase he does it more or better in the least bit. Complexity does not equal better either. Being not really many, if anything spiderman came off that way. do you remember how they met? spiderman tends to be the one who flips out not wolverine in there encounter. Wolverine normally reacts to spiderman out lashes.
That just what he did against morlun, he done it against venom ect. He does not always do it but he does it way more often then your implying. Wolverine does the same thing. He use more tactics against more dangerous enemies, arguement goes both ways.
Yea to each his own. We won't end up agreeing I know that much.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganHow much have I given him credit for? I said they're both good.
Wolverine stomped lizard through tactics, he did the same to puma while poisoned., also did the same thing to speed demon ect. He utilizes tactics vastly more then your giving him credit for.And yet he does rely on them so the points mute. No does spiderman. YOu seen spiderman do it more becuase you read vastly more spiderman then wolverine. Not becuase he does it more or better in the least bit. Complexity does not equal better either. Being not really many, if anything spiderman came off that way. do you remember how they met? spiderman tends to be the one who flips out not wolverine in there encounter. Wolverine normally reacts to spiderman out lashes.
That just what he did against morlun, he done it against venom ect. He does not always do it but he does it way more often then your implying. Wolverine does the same thing. He use more tactics against more dangerous enemies, arguement goes both ways.
Yea to each his own. We won't end up agreeing I know that much.
Moot? I have read plenty of Spider-Man and X-Men/ Wolverine and the argument could be reflected your way. It could be said you read more Wolverine so you see it more often. I also haven't read nearly as much Spider-Man lately. I'm talking percentages, not even whole numbers.
Also I was talking about them teaming up, where they fought the same people and how they reacted. Spider-Man was the calm one of the two. Also complexity is more impressive, which is why Reed is a better thinker than Spider-Man, more complex.
I wouldn't say always, but he does it quite often, he's outsmarted many of his enemies, including the smart ones, who plan more than just direct attack. It's more part of his character IMO.
Of course we won't. We all know you hate black people. 😛 biscuits
Reed Richards is also pretty good at tactics (and prep, obviously). Considering how he can come up with ingenious ways to use the F4's entire powerset/abilities to maximum efficiency during hectic battles, I'm surprised he's not a contender here, either.
By the same token, the Wizard, while inferior to Reed, is also pretty good at tactical thinking when it comes to the battlefield and his various Frightful Four teams.