Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Afraid not. Watch the vid. The guy fires first. She moves her head AFTER he fires. Fact.Keep trying.
Afraid, so. What's funny, when DDM does his frame-by-frame thing and it's an outcome you favor, you're all over it like a hobo on a ham-sandwich. Now, he's a retard and wrong.
But the Force, not dodged like a bullet.
Originally posted by RobtardLube up and observe.
Afraid, so. What's funny, when DDM does his frame-by-frame thing and it's an outcome you favor, you're all over it like a hobo on a ham-sandwich. Now, he's a retard and wrong.But the Force, not dodged like a bullet.
Here's dude firing, look at the timer:
And here's HG dodging, look at the timer:
How's your hole? Am I going too fast?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No concept of time? It's right there in the pics I posted. Bullet fires at 1:24, she dodges at 1:25. **** camera angles, I'm right and you know it.Sure. Apparition evades force choke. This has been covered and proven many times over.
Correct. You're wrong. Head was titled before the gun went off.
Yeah, that probably would work. But apparition won't avoid a neck-snap or being shoved so hard into a wall/object you get your breath knocked out and your body smashed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Correct. You're wrong. Head was titled before the gun went off.Yeah, that probably would work. But apparition won't avoid a neck-snap or being shoved so hard into a wall/object you get your breath knocked out and your body smashed.
It's one thing for you to question my opinion, but why are you questioning actual move footage I posted?
He fires the gun at 1:24. She moves her head at 1:25. There is no debating this. Stop trying.
1:25 comes after 1:24.
RJ, your point completely fails. It's fails very very very badly.
Here's why:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Frame it up however you like, the camera shows the audience a "back in time" view.First, it shows the dude fire.
Then, time rewinds just a bit to see what happened when he fired.
Your suggestion has the bullet traveling at like 15 miles an hour in order to accomplish what you're suggesting in a linear fashion. Since the bullet streaks across the screen at a much faster speed than 15 mph, you're wrong. Unless you're suggesting that the bullet starts out traveling at 1 mph and just floats for a bit until the camera changes to a shot of hit girl, and then the bullet magically speeds up defying both ballistic physics AND gravitational physics.
Edit - And you point about apparation being instant is completely irrelevant to the point you are responding to. Go back and read my point. Then address that point directly instead of using a red herring. In addition, I've already stated that, yes, indeed: Preston can bring his gun up and fire BEFORE Harry Potter apparates away because...no, I'm not telling you again. Go back and read what my because is. There's apparating and then there's reacting. AND THEN there's the bonus which takes a giant shit on everything you've talked about.
Until you realize what I said above is actually not debatable, you'll never get out of your ditch of denseness. You literally cannot try and spin things to make the events be interpreted any other way except for mine.
If we stick with your explanation, we'd end up being idiots. I am dead serious. Not ONE of us in this conversation is an idiot by any stretch of the imagination.
Assume slug velocity of 350 m/s. You said yourself that the distance is 10 feet or almost EXACTLY 3 feet. How long does it take a bullet to travel 3 meters when it travels 350 m/s?
This is literally 6th grade math. It's a 6th grader's word problem. This is not some fancy equation or super duper physics: it's a very simple calculation.
If it travels 350 meters in one second...then how can it possibly travel only THREE meters in one second?
It's very simple: it boils down to one of two explanations:
1. Robtard's explanation of about a year ago where he said time rewinds just a little bit when it focuses on Hit Girl so the audience can see how she reacted to the shot.
OR!
2. RogueJedi's explanation of: The bullet starts out traveling at 1 mph and just floats for a bit until the camera changes to a shot of Hit Girl, and then the bullet magically speeds up defying both ballistic physics AND gravitational physics.
Keep in mind that the bullet is streaking across the screen at about what I eyeball estimated at 100 mph.
Not all is lost for your side, though: I am willing to concede this point if you say that Magic Team loses to the Force Team in the force Army thread. 😄
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's one thing for you to question my opinion, but why are you questioning actual move footage I posted?He fires the gun at 1:24. She moves her head at 1:25. There is no debating this. Stop trying.
1:25 comes after 1:24.
Your view and opinion of what's on screen is whacked, that's the problem. Different camera angles are used and not in chronological order for the benefit of the audience.
The gunman aimed his gun, Hit-Girl titled her head to the side and out of the gun's path, the gunman fired; the bullet streaked past her head. It was chopped up for us so we got to see the different view points of Hit-Girl and the gunman and it made for a more visually stunning scene.
ie it wasn't a dodge as it's impossible to dodge something that wasn't going to hit you in the first place. It's still impressive, but she's no Neo.
Originally posted by dadudemonOh my GOD, dude......OK, I'll play.
RJ, your point completely fails. It's fails very very very badly.Here's why:
Until you realize what I said above is actually not debatable, you'll never get out of your ditch of denseness. You literally cannot try and spin things to make the events be interpreted any other way except for mine.
If we stick with your explanation, we'd end up being idiots. I am dead serious. Not ONE of us in this conversation is an idiot by any stretch of the imagination.
Assume slug velocity of 350 m/s. You said yourself that the distance is 10 feet or almost EXACTLY 3 feet. [b]How long does it take a bullet to travel 3 meters when it travels 350 m/s?
This is literally 6th grade math. It's a 6th grader's word problem. This is not some fancy equation or super duper physics: it's a very simple calculation.
If it travels 350 meters in one second...then how can it possibly travel only THREE meters in one second?
It's very simple: it boils down to one of two explanations:
1. Robtard's explanation of about a year ago where he said time rewinds just a little bit when it focuses on Hit Girl so the audience can see how she reacted to the shot.
OR!
2. RogueJedi's explanation of: The bullet starts out traveling at 1 mph and just floats for a bit until the camera changes to a shot of Hit Girl, and then the bullet magically speeds up defying both ballistic physics AND gravitational physics.
Keep in mind that the bullet is streaking across the screen at about what I eyeball estimated at 100 mph.
Not all is lost for your side, though: I am willing to concede this point if you say that Magic Team loses to the Force Team in the force Army thread. 😄 [/B]
Now, at 1:22, Hit Girl jumps onto the bookshelf and fires on the guy with the stache:
Here is that guy being hit by her bullet:
Here is Hit Girl jumping down from the bookshelf, note the bodies on the floor behind her, as well as the chairs:
Here is Hit Girls boot next to the stache guys face as she advances on dude with the black hair:
Here is the guy with the black hair firing:
Here is Hit Girl dodging the bullet....NOW, my question to you is this: If your bullshit "time reversal" argument is accurate, WHERE is the stache guys body? WHERE are the bodies of the others she killed? Where are the effing chairs? The hallway to her left and right are clear, no bodies. IF "time reversal" happened, there would be bodies to her left and right, and we would see the chairs. They would be to her left and right, or behind her. As shown in the vid and pics I posted, there are no bodies/chairs to her left and right, nor are there any bodies/chairs behind her. So, your "time reversal" bullshit line of argument? BOOM, I just sank it. It's hanging out with Bin Laden, babe.
Now, not the timer. It goes from 1:22 to 1:25, proof that I have the events in the correct order.
Also, what ares said: If time rewinded a bit wouldn't that mean we would hear the shots again?
Your roll.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh my GOD, dude......OK, I'll play.Now, at 1:22, Hit Girl jumps onto the bookshelf and fires on the guy with the stache:
Here is that guy being hit by her bullet:
Here is Hit Girl jumping down from the bookshelf, [b]note the bodies on the floor behind her, as well as the chairs:
Here is Hit Girls boot next to the stache guys face as she advances on dude with the black hair:
Here is the guy with the black hair firing:
Here is Hit Girl dodging the bullet....NOW, my question to you is this: If your bullshit "time reversal" argument is accurate, WHERE is the stache guys body? WHERE are the bodies of the others she killed? Where are the effing chairs? The hallway to her left and right are clear, no bodies. IF "time reversal" happened, there would be bodies to her left and right, and we would see the chairs. They would be to her left and right, or behind her. As shown in the vid and pics I posted, there are no bodies/chairs to her left and right, nor are there any bodies/chairs behind her. So, your "time reversal" bullshit line of argument? BOOM, I just sank it. It's hanging out with Bin Laden, babe.
Now, not the timer. It goes from 1:22 to 1:25, proof that I have the events in the correct order.
Also, what ares said: If time rewinded a bit wouldn't that mean we would hear the shots again?
Your roll. [/B]
1. Screen capture with alt+print screen OR download screenprint 32, for free, and set it to be "selectable area". It will cut down your images, hugely.
2. You didn't even address my post and, instead, took us on a strawman AND a red herring. GTFO outta here with that strawman and Red Herring. You get pissed when Sadako does it with you, why would it be acceptable for YOU to do it?
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Screen capture with alt+print screen OR download screenprint 32, for free, and set it to be "selectable area". It will cut down your images, hugely.2. You didn't even address my post and, instead, took us on a strawman AND a red herring. GTFO outta here with that strawman and Red Herring. You get pissed when Sadako does it with you, why would it be acceptable for YOU to do it?
Lulz, dude, I took your time reversal argument and pissed all over it. You want me to address the velocity of real life bullets vs. movie bullets? Stupid. Besides, I could pick many scenes from your precious Prestons movie and do the same. It's a movie, FFS. We can't hear TIE fighters blowing up in outer space either.
Answer the question: Where are the chairs/bodies to her left and right and behind her IF the "time reversal" thing happened?"
They aren't there.
"Time reversal" didn't happen.
Accept it.
No? OK, Answer the question: Where are the chairs/bodies to her left and right and behind her IF the "time reversal" thing happened?"
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lulz, dude, I took your time reversal argument and pissed all over it.
NO YOU DID NOT!
Let's make that QUITE clear that you wasted your time taking screen captures to make a point that was actually irrelevant to the point I addressed AND you originally brought up.
ONLY the firing of the gun and her moving her head. THAT'S it. NOTHING ELSE. If you want to make another point, please do, but don't reply to me because I didn't comment on that.
I mean, holy shit dude, are you TRYING to be as wrong as you possibly can?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You want me to address the velocity of real life bullets vs. movie bullets? Stupid.
Yes, it's stupid because it doesn't fit your idea of how the events HAD to occur in order for your ridiculous conclusion to be viable.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Besides, I could pick many scenes from your precious Prestons movie and do the same. It's a movie, FFS. We can't hear TIE fighters blowing up in outer space either.
And you honestly think that I wouldn't bring those same exact points up, there, if you brought those points up (cause I did and you're conveniently forgetting about it. 😬 )
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Answer the question: Where are the chairs/bodies to her left and right and behind her IF the "time reversal" thing happened?"They aren't there.
"Time reversal" didn't happen.
Accept it.
No? OK, Answer the question: Where are the chairs/bodies to her left and right and behind her IF the "time reversal" thing happened?"
Since you actually HEAR the shot fired, then the scene switches showing the shot fired, WITH TWO DISTINCT SHOTS FIRED SOUNDS, you have proven yourself wrong. Time rewound for you to see the shot fired FROM HIT GIRL OVERHEAD PERSPECTIVE.
Turn your volume up, watch that 1 second scene over and over again until you an hear that time rewinds for you to see and hear the shot fired and then hear the shot fired as it whizzes past Hit Girl. Then STFU with your pathetic and incorrect love over Hit Girl being a bullet dodger. Keep in mind that NONE of the screen shots you have posted matter even one iota to the actual point. Only that one second period of time. Why? Cause time rewound for less than a second for the "audience" to see the shot from two camera angles. Yet, you're getting on this GIGANTIC irrelevant train-ride to nowhere with WAAAAAAAY more time than is even relevant. Why can you not see that?
Lulz, look at you. Just look. Wait, look at this. Here, I'll post it again:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh my GOD, dude......OK, I'll play.Now, at 1:22, Hit Girl jumps onto the bookshelf and fires on the guy with the stache:
Here is that guy being hit by her bullet:
Here is Hit Girl jumping down from the bookshelf, [b]note the bodies on the floor behind her, as well as the chairs:
Here is Hit Girls boot next to the stache guys face as she advances on dude with the black hair:
Here is the guy with the black hair firing:
Here is Hit Girl dodging the bullet....NOW, my question to you is this: If your bullshit "time reversal" argument is accurate, WHERE is the stache guys body? WHERE are the bodies of the others she killed? Where are the effing chairs? The hallway to her left and right are clear, no bodies. IF "time reversal" happened, there would be bodies to her left and right, and we would see the chairs. They would be to her left and right, or behind her. As shown in the vid and pics I posted, there are no bodies/chairs to her left and right, nor are there any bodies/chairs behind her. So, your "time reversal" bullshit line of argument? BOOM, I just sank it. It's hanging out with Bin Laden, babe.
Now, not the timer. It goes from 1:22 to 1:25, proof that I have the events in the correct order.
Also, what ares said: If time rewinded a bit wouldn't that mean we would hear the shots again?
Your roll. [/B]
This destroys any hope you had for "time reversal." It's all right there, dude. If the "time reversal" had happened, we would see bodies to HG's left, right and/or behind her. We see none.
Your point is that there was "time reversal." I posted hardcore, definitive, indisputable evidence that there was no "time reversal." You have your opinion, I got screenshots and a chronological timeline via pics. I win.
Dude fires the gun twice, HG dodges, and she is at least 7-10 feet ahead of where she was when we can see her boot next to stache's head.
No "time reversal", deal with it.
Screenshots and sequence of events>>>>>>>>>>>Real life physics, all day, every day. You gonna question why we heard TIE Fighters exploding in outer space next? You really wanna question most movies with gunplay? Cuz I can name a shitload that DDM can flex his brain on.
I'll ask you the same question I asked DDM. If there was a "time reversal", where are the bodies and the chairs? Because if there was inded a "time reversal", then Hit Girl would be several feet back from where she was, amongst the bodies and the chairs. Here, take a look for yourself:
As it is, there are no bodies or chairs around her when she dodges the bullet. The bodies are behind her. You gonna say that Hit Girl somehow teleported during the "time reversal?"
Shitty editing or not, it's what we see in the movie. If there were a "time reversal", Hit Girl would have bodies and chairs around her.
She didn't.
No time reversal.
Now, as for the speed of the bullets. Observe, FF to :40
Big Daddy shoots Hit Girl with a low velocity round. Low velocity, and it travels as fast as a real life low velocity round, and it hit her instantly.
Now, you telling me that the bullets from the gun that the black hair dude used traveled slower? When all the bullets in Kick Ass were shown traveling at the same speeds as they do in real life? I call bullshit on that, duder.
Check out the speed at which the bullets are traveling in this scene:
Again, the dude in black, the guy whose bullets Hit Girl dodged, he somehow used a gun that had bullets tat traveled at a snails pace?
And finally, this:
Every gun in the scene fires bullets that travel at real life speeds. In fact, right after Hit Girl dodges his bullets, he fires again at 1:26 and hits his teammate in the back. The muzzle flash is still visible when it hits the guy in the back. Sooooooooooo......Guess the two bullets Hit Girl dodged traveled at a snails pace, while the rest traveled at real life speeds?
Hee Hee Hardy Har. I think not.
Sounds like you've cemented your fantasy in your head, then.
Low velocity rounds that moved 3 feet per sound? lol lol lol lol
Im not gonna argue with you. If you wanna believe black is white or vice versa, thats fine.
Im just sticking with good old, tried and trusted 'Black is Black/White is White' logic, thank you. 🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sounds like you've cemented your fantasy in your head, then.Low velocity rounds that moved 3 feet per sound? lol lol lol lol
Im not gonna argue with you. If you wanna believe black is white or vice versa, thats fine.
Im just sticking with good old, tried and trusted 'Black is Black/White is White' logic, thank you. 🙂
Fantasy? Sure. See, you're posting what you think. Me? I'm posting what actually happened.
I guess out of the hundreds of bullets fired in Kick Ass, those two traveled slower. Sure. Why not.
Here's her second bullet dodging feat:
Here's dude firing the bullet:
And here's Hit Girl dodging:
Hit Girl is about 15 feet away and the bullet travels at real life speeds. Dude fires and she moves her head instantly, in real time. Again, no "time reversal." We cannot see the bullet like we saw them in the first dodging feat. Why? Because obviously they filmed the first feat that way for effect, so we could see the bullets whizz by her head. It's like when they filmed Neo's first bullet dodging feat, everything was slowed down so we could see the bullets.
By all means, break this scene down for us. Do share with the group.