Hulk, Herc & Thor vs. Black Bolt, Vulcan, & Gladiator

Originally posted by carver9
WWH was brought up a couple of pages back because someone was stating that Hulk is a none factor in this fight when all in all, he is the main ingredient in this fight.

I brought Rulk up as an example of WWH being>Thor due to someone saying that Hulk shouldn't be able to beat Thor. Then you all brought up Rulk as some type of crutch when all in all he wasn't.

one person beating thor and then being beaten by wwh doesn't automatically make wwh>thor.

that's abc logic and that's not how it works around here.

Originally posted by carver9
WWH was brought up a couple of pages back because someone was stating that Hulk is a none factor in this fight when all in all, he is the main ingredient in this fight.

I brought Rulk up as an example of WWH being>Thor due to someone saying that Hulk shouldn't be able to beat Thor. Then you all brought up Rulk as some type of crutch when all in all he wasn't.

Hulk's not the main ingredient to this fight, though. Not with people infinitely more versatile than he on the other team. That role belongs to Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
one person beating thor and then being beaten by wwh doesn't automatically make wwh>thor.

that's abc logic and that's not how it works around here.

That's not the only reason why WWH is superior to Thor.

One sec.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor has stalemated SAVAGE hulk. He got his a** ripped up WITH the Odin Force by Rulk and Current Hulk STOMPED that same Rulk. Current Hulk isn't Savage Hulk, he is MUCH more powerful and even using Savage Hulk, a weaker version than Current Hulk, his last showing against thor had him beating Thor to sleep.

Black Bolt would get stomped as well and if you want to know why, I don't mind telling you.

Here you go Pr.

Yeah, that's ABC logic, Carv.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, that's ABC logic, Carv.

OMG... can V&V Despero beat Thor... yes, do you want to know why? He beat on Superman, Captain Marvel along with other high heralds with ease, INCLUDING the rest of the JLA and JSA. That is the only way to determine this since Current Hulk and Thor never fought yet.

This isn't abc logic when Thor and Hulk has faced the same people and Hulk just looks better. I'm providing legit arguments for 2 people that never fought yet.

Just like I can say that Thor was a insect to Onslaught but a weaker version of Hulk (than current Hulk) faced Onslaught and ripped his body to dust. That's another feat that shows who is superior.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG... can V&V Despero beat Thor... yes, do you want to know why? He beat on Superman, Captain Marvel along with other high heralds with ease, INCLUDING the rest of the JLA and JSA. That is the only way to determine this since Current Hulk and Thor never fought yet.

This isn't abc logic when Thor and Hulk has faced the same people and Hulk just looks better. I'm providing legit arguments for 2 people that never fought yet.

Just like I can say that Thor was a insect to Onslaught but a weaker version of Hulk (than current Hulk) faced Onslaught and ripped his body to dust. That's another feat that shows who is superior.

Thor's also soloed the U-Foes with relative ease where Hulk has shown far more difficulty with them. Thor's beaten or slapped around the Silver Surfer with more ease than Hulk's shown. Thor's battled more powerful foes than the Hulk has ever faced and has come out looking pretty damn good, if not actually winning. Thor's nearly killed Rulk by Rulk's own admission who further stated that fighting Hulk saved him. And also...

Zeus wouldn't manhandle Thor like he did Hulk. And he hasn't.

Boomshakalaka.

Originally posted by carver9
That's not the only reason why WWH is superior to Thor.

One sec.

Originally posted by carver9
Here you go Pr.

you just reiterated and backed up my point.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's also soloed the U-Foes with relative ease where Hulk has shown far more difficulty with them. Thor's beaten or slapped around the Silver Surfer with more ease than Hulk's shown. Thor's battled more powerful foes than the Hulk has ever faced and has come out looking pretty damn good, if not actually winning. Thor's nearly killed Rulk by Rulk's own admission who further stated that fighting Hulk saved him. And also...

Zeus wouldn't manhandle Thor like he did Hulk. And he hasn't.

Boomshakalaka.

OMG... I never said that Thor was a chump... Thor versatility is next to none and he is by far one of the most powerful Heralds and that's including Gladiator. Thor would lose to Current Hulk though and I gave my reasons why. By looking at Savage Hulk and Thor fights in the past and looking at how Savage Hulk and Thor last fight went... Thor would probably need a partner to face WWH.

Lol... Thor didn't nearly kill Rulk by himself... he dive bombed him; basically snuck attacked him and pressed his attack. Then he ran up on a Rulk that JUST got through destroying him BEFORE taking two all out hammer shots to the face and body. Then let's not include that after destroying Thor, he fell from the moon to Earth head first and after getting out of the big a** hole that he created... Hulk was right in front of his face ready to fight. Thor fought an exausted Rulk. Let's put it like this, Rulk went through more than what Thor went through before facing Void.

What the hell? Yes, Zeus would manhandle Thor. The current Odin and Thor fight is proof enough of this. Thor got taken out in 2 panels from a weakened Odin.

Surfer drains Hulk for the win... kind of different than fighting him the way he fights Thor don't you think?

Like I said, this isn't to make Thor look weak because he is very powerful but he would lose against Current Hulk and badly at that.

😠

There is no comeback from a 'Boomshakalaka'.

The debate is over!

Originally posted by carver9
Again, Black Bolt defeated Savage Hulk. The example I was going to use is a skrull Bolt voice feat being>the original BB scream. Would you like to know why? Don't mind telling ya buddy. Skrull bolt was placed into a containment feild by reed and Tony. They needed SB to scream as hard as he can so that he could open a plain to a different reality. Guess what, his scream was so powerful that he ripped through reality.

You have no proof that was Skrull Bolt that was involved in that gem hunt because Secret Invasion Inhumans shows Bolt was abducted after the Silent War. Bolt was already a part of the Illumanati. The Silent War had only began it's first issue at the time when Illuminati 2 (the gem hunt) came out. Furthermore as Rage pointed out, the Skrull scientist openly told Bolt that he'd only began learning Bolt's power. Once he does, he'll turn Bolt into the Skrull empire's greatest weapon. This all occurred after Skrull Bolt's death.

As for that reality ripping feat, Black Bolt has feats that far surpass that one feat. Surfer can rip reality if he wanted and so can a Watcher. Bolt's superior feats include

1. Overloaded a Doctor Doom possessing Watcher's power
2. Bolt destroying a fleet of fleeing Skrulls across space with a speech
3. A bomb powered by Bolt's scream creating a tear in space that was about to consume the entire universe. The same rift that when stopped was still large enough to allow a universal armada to cross it.

This same skrull bolt fought WWH and SCREAMED at him. He screamed at Hulk so hard that it ripped a chunk out of the moon the size of Rhode Island. Well, Hulk tanked that sh** and asked for more. Remember, this was a full fledg scream and Skrull Bolt did it more than once.

Where's your proof that was a scream? lmao. Bolt with just whispers have taken out Gladiator and Hulk. WWH may have been more power then Savage but to take a scream is b.s. It destroying something the size of Rhode Island doesn't mean it's a scream. WWH had a hell of a time just trying to take out Sentry. The same Sentry that didn't want to fight Black Bolt because he felt both could destroy the world if they unleashed their power. lol Iron Man even wondered if Sentry was afraid of Bolt's scream and thus why Sentry wanted to avoid a full on fight.

Hulk has NEVER won a fight with Bolt and has been taken down by a whisper. That Skrull Bolt is not even close to Black Bolt. The guy got his necked snapped by Namor. Bolt took on the Fantastic Four and Namor, one shotting the King of Atlantis into a dam with an upper cut.

Vulcan can TRY to drain WWH. I'm pretty sure it won't work since someone who absorption feats are>Vulcan and failed at draining WWH due to his power level. WWH amping would prevent that buddy just like it prevented Rulk from draining him.

Lol. Keep trying. Magus transmuted an entire planet. He went up against Vulcan and Vulcan sapped his magic within minutes of their meeting that it had Magus running.

Gladiator can keep Thor busy long enough. He's done it on more than one occasion in their meeting. Hercules and Hulk against Bolt and Vulcan is a mismatch. Bolt puts Hercules in a containment field and he's out of the fight. He starts talking while Vulcan starts absorbing or manipulating and Hulk would get knocked the ###k out. Both can fly unlike the other two. Both can create energy fields. Both can manipulate energy and mind rape. Team two wins the majority of the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG... I never said that Thor was a chump... Thor versatility is next to none and he is by far one of the most powerful Heralds and that's including Gladiator. Thor would lose to Current Hulk though and I gave my reasons why. By looking at Savage Hulk and Thor fights in the past and looking at how Savage Hulk and Thor last fight went... Thor would probably need a partner to face WWH.

Lol... Thor didn't nearly kill Rulk by himself... he dive bombed him; basically snuck attacked him and pressed his attack. Then he ran up on a Rulk that JUST got through destroying him BEFORE taking two all out hammer shots to the face and body. Then let's not include that after destroying Thor, he fell from the moon to Earth head first and after getting out of the big a** hole that he created... Hulk was right in front of his face ready to fight. Thor fought an exausted Rulk. Let's put it like this, Rulk went through more than what Thor went through before facing Void.

What the hell? Yes, Zeus would manhandle Thor. The current Odin and Thor fight is proof enough of this. Thor got taken out in 2 panels from a weakened Odin.

Surfer drains Hulk for the win... kind of different than fighting him the way he fights Thor don't you think?

Like I said, this isn't to make Thor look weak because he is very powerful but he would lose against Current Hulk and badly at that.

Thor is more versatile then the others but he never uses that against Hulk. Thor's anti-matter blast and Godly blast is conceivably more power than Bolt but when has he ever used that against Hulk?

God blast aside, Bolt's whisper has taken out both Hulk and Gladiator. Bolt beaten Hulk three times in their meeting while Hulk has won nothing. That's more than Thor can say. And at no time did Bolt need to resort to a scream to beat Hulk.

The most powerful here is Thor if he uses his god blast. But combat wise, Bolt is the most power because he actually uses his whisper more often. Thor's lightning comes into play but both Vulcan and Bolt can atleast manipulate than and redirect it. Gladiator's blitz would keep Thor busy long enough to prevent him from throwing an onslaught of lightning on team 2. Every time they've fought Gladiator's speed have been a factor in making him a formidable foe for Thor. It's not changing in this fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, not sure. why did it fail? anyone?

He couldn't handle WWH's power. Same with Darwin.

Team 1

I still think it goes like this:

Vulcan notices the large amount of energy eminating from hulk and drains him.

Glads can hold thor off for long enough so BB can beat Herc(mabye with some help from vulcan) and then they double or triple team thor.