Originally posted by Juk3n
Except Achillies himself, so the point is moot. Achilies was toying with Hector also, BLATANTLY obvious to anyone not actively trying to ignore it. Theres no question Achillies was more agile, likely edging in strength too, better battle awareness and just as tactical, just better really.
Show me where Achilles fought a formidable opponent AND two tigers at once.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
What would be the point? You're acting like facing a Tiger is difficult for a battle hardened master swordsman, not just a 'master' THE greatest swordsman who ever lived.
I have a question for you. Don't dodge it, or i'll just take it as a concession and be done. Did Maximus demonstrate anything beyond what Achillies could accomplish in your opinion? You keep referencing th"tiger" feat, do you honestly believe that is beyond someone like achillies?
i mean..really? 😬
(Just a yes or no answer please, keep it simple)
Originally posted by Rogue JediI don't think he looked more formidable than hector either. Achilles was completely in control against anyone he faced unlike Maximus. Maximus wasn't portrayed as some unbeatable swordsman either.
Damage soak, dude. Battle prowess.K?
K so Achilles can throw a spear farther. And?
Out of his prime? He looked more formidable than anyone Achilles faced.
The spear throwing feat shows two things beyond Maximus. Extreme skill and extreme strength.
Maximus wasn't always completely in control like Achilles was always depicted.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'm talking 1 on 1. Maximus had his heart pierced, survived, fought and won. Or was it his lung? Either way, Achilles never showed that type of prowess and/or willpower.So he'd make a good olympian?
Speculatory my ass. Hole in the lung and Maximus kept fighting.
It was the lung.
Achilles never showed battle prowess? Except of course when running around and slaughtering groups of men, some he barely stopped to look at and having an almost precog-like ability to sense arrows coming at him from the rear. (The opening battle at the beach)
Really, I think you just like to pick the lesser opponent and then debate ad vomitum.
Originally posted by RobtardNah, I just think Max was just as fast, had way higher damage soak. the scene where he's fighting the tigers and dude, it's faster paced than anything in Troy. They were like 'clangclanclangclangclang', whereas in Troy, it was more like 'clang...clang...clancclang....'
It was the lung.Achilles never showed battle prowess? Except of course when running around and slaughtering groups of men, some he barely stopped to look at and having an almost precog-like ability to sense arrows coming at him from the rear. (The opening battle at the beach)
Really, I think you just like to pick the lesser opponent and then debate ad vomitum.
Originally posted by Juk3nHis speed and presence of mind, keeping from being mauled AND fighting off that dude was pretty impressive. Achilles didn't show anything in Troy that suggested he would survive that.
What would be the point? You're acting like facing a Tiger is difficult for a battle hardened master swordsman, not just a 'master' THE greatest swordsman who ever lived.I have a question for you. Don't dodge it, or i'll just take it as a concession and be done. Did Maximus demonstrate anything beyond what Achillies could accomplish in your opinion? You keep referencing th"tiger" feat, do you honestly believe that is beyond someone like achillies?
i mean..really? 😬
(Just a yes or no answer please, keep it simple)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, I just think Max was just as fast, had way higher damage soak. the scene where he's fighting the tigers and dude, it's faster paced than anything in Troy. They were like 'clangclanclangclangclang', whereas in Troy, it was more like 'clang...clang...clancclang....'
Maximus wasn't as fast or agile and he didn't show Achilles battle-awareness of everything around him. We don't really know Achilles' damage soak, as the dude only got nicked in his fights cos he's that good.
How many arrows did it take to drop Achilles though? That could could towards damage-soakiness.
Now saying Achilles will run in and drop Maximus in a second, it will definitely be a battle, but one was portrayed as human and one showed semi superhuman-like abilities.
Originally posted by RobtardYou think Achilles could take a knife to the lung, live, fight for ten minutes and win? Maximus, until the lung shot, only got nicked too. Not even nicked.
Maximus wasn't as fast or agile and he didn't show Achilles battle-awareness of everythign around him. We don't really know Achilles' damage soak, as the dude only got nicked in his fights cos he's that good.How many arrows did it take to drop Achilles though? That could could towards damage-soakiness.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You think Achilles could take a knife to the lung, live, fight for ten minutes and win? Maximus, until the lung shot, only got nicked too. Not even nicked.
Achilles took several arrows and wasn't dropped. So a similar knife wound not stopping him is possible.
Dude is more of a killing machine, not that Maximus is shit.
Look at 1:18. Dude has battle awareness that is super-human. Moves his shield to his back a split second before an arrow hits, he never once looked back to see the archer in the rear. Those tigers wouldn't have touched him, let alone brought him to the ground.
Originally posted by RobtardMaximus displayed similar feats. He was fighting dude, 'clangclangclangclangclang' and at the last second, without looking at it, blocked the tigers paw swipe with his shield.
Achilles took several arrows and wasn't dropped.Dude is more of a killing machine, not that Maximus is shit.
Look at 1:18. Dude has battle awareness that is super-human. Moves his shield to his back a split second before an arrow hits, he never once looked back to see the archer in the rear. Those tigers wouldn't have touched him, let alone brought him to the ground.
They're pretty even in this respect.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maximus displayed similar feats. He was fighting dude, 'clangclangclangclangclang' and at the last second, without looking at it, blocked the tigers paw swipe with his shield.They're pretty even in this respect.
Similar, but lesser; which is the point . In the end, Maximus wears out and is dropped. Be like a more epic version of Achilles and Hector.
The cooler character and better film by a factor of 10 loses.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He wears out....after being stabbed in the lung? Or the tiger fight?
If you didn't notice, he does show signs of wear in his fights when he can't end them after a couple blows. Achilles doesn't, he was a fresh and fast from the first blow on Hector to the last.
Also, Commodus was a douche and not some master swordsman, so it's not like he had a tough opponent while fighting wounded.
Originally posted by RobtardMaximus showed no signs of slowing in any of his fights, not DURING the fight anyway.
If you didn't notice, he does show signs of wear in his fights when he can't end them after a couple blows. Achilles doesn't, he was a fresh and fast from the first blow on Hector to the last.Also, Commodus was a douche and not some master swordsman, so it's not like he had a tough opponent while fighting wounded.
What matters is that Max was able to fight despite the hole in his lung.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maximus showed no signs of slowing in any of his fights, not DURING the fight anyway.What matters is that Max was able to fight despite the hole in his lung.
Yeah, he does. The one with the fat retired champion and tigers he's slowing down towards the end.
And he fought slow from the wound. Do you really think when Achilles wounds him and he slows down, he'll be a threat?
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, he does. The one with the fat retired champion and tigers he's slowing down towards the end.And he fought slow from the wound. Do you really think when Achilles wounds him and he slows down, he'll be a threat?
No, he was going full speed pretty much to the end.
The tiger fight scene was much more fast paced than anything in Troy. Maximus, able to react to said fights, is faster.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, he was going full speed pretty much to the end.The tiger fight scene was much more fast paced than anything in Troy. Maximus, able to react to said fights, is faster.
Achilles > Maximus
Gladiator film >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy and its mother.