Maximus vs Achilles

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There are no motivators more powerful than passion, revenge, and freedom. This is what drives Maximus. Achilles superficial desire for fame and glory would lose every round in this category.

Achilles weakness would be his ultimate destroyer. His arrogance would be his ultimate downfall as he believes himself invincible, however Maximus’s weakness is used to make himself strong. His mortality is what drives him, and though it could result in his end (and via Gladiator does) it is also part of the drive behind his passion and search for revenge. Maximus runs away with this one.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There are no motivators more powerful than passion, revenge, and freedom. This is what drives Maximus. Achilles superficial desire for fame and glory would lose every round in this category.

Achilles weakness would be his ultimate destroyer. His arrogance would be his ultimate downfall as he believes himself invincible, however Maximus’s weakness is used to make himself strong. His mortality is what drives him, and though it could result in his end (and via Gladiator does) it is also part of the drive behind his passion and search for revenge. Maximus runs away with this one.

Yeah, no. Achilles stomps.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Oh. You think that because Maximus is the superior character, that he's the superior fighter.

Yeah, no. Achilles stomps.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maximus runs away with this one.

Anyone of us debating againtyou could let slide an "ithink id give the edge to maximus for so & so reasons". But now you say he stomps? for reasons of character? LOL. Maximus has no revenge lust here. He replaces hector , so thats out eh? In single combat there is nothing to suggest Maximus walks awy from this at all. In single combat, Achillies is more skilled, stronger and more agile. Damage soak doesn't come into play because no foreign blade has ever touched his body in his entire life..such is the extent of his 'enchantment'. But even discounting that he displays a level of single combat prowess beyond that of maximus.

Achillies getting his sword arm caught like Lucious did? You reach too far RJ. I knw you sometimes lik to play devils advocate, and you know what no one makes good case for the underdog quite like you..MOST of the time. But this isn't one of those times.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not even close to what I am saying.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There are no motivators more powerful than passion, revenge, and freedom. This is what drives Maximus. Achilles superficial desire for fame and glory would lose every round in this category.

Achilles weakness would be his ultimate destroyer. His arrogance would be his ultimate downfall as he believes himself invincible, however Maximus’s weakness is used to make himself strong. His mortality is what drives him, and though it could result in his end (and via Gladiator does) it is also part of the drive behind his passion and search for revenge. Maximus runs away with this one.

Hey, RJ. Passion (love of his cousin) and revenge(over the death of his cousin) is what Achilles would be bringing to this fight; what he brought to Hector. Freedom, Maximus didn't give a shit about freedom, he only wanted to bring down the emperor. By the time Achilles fought Hector he didn't give two shits about fame, he was planning to leave Troy in the morning. So they're both bringing what you claim would be a winning mix. Passion and revenge. Maybe you should watch all of Troy before going on?

Because on the battle-field Achilles is practically invincible. So now Maximus stomps? Good lord.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hey, RJ. Passion (love of his cousin) and revenge(over the death of his cousin) is what Achilles would be bringing to this fight; what he brought to Hector. Freedom, Maximus didn't give a shit about freedom, he only wanted to bring down the emperor. By the time Achilles fought Hector he didn't give two shits about fame, he was planning to leave Troy in the morning. So they're both bringing what you claim would be a winning mix. Passion and revenge. Maybe you should watch all of Troy before going on?

Because on the battle-field Achilles is practically invincible. So now Maximus stomps? Good lord.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fail. Maximus was much more in revenge mode.

So you go on a tirade about Maximus' agenda and Achilles, which you were partially wrong with Maximus and just about completely wrong with Achilles and your retort is "Maximus has more revenge."? LoL, dude.

Anyhow, Maximus is replacing Hector here. So Maximus woudn't be in any kind of "revenge mode", only Achillies, as Maximus would have been the one to slit the cousin's throat in this scenario. Though that is irrelevant, Maximus can be twice as butt-hurt as he was in his film here and it's still not saving him.

You pretty much admitted that you're backing the lesser opponent just to back the lesser opponent, it takes more balls to say "alright, I was wrong", than is does to be a stubborn *******.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you go on a tirade about Maximus' agenda and Achilles, which you were partially wrong with Maximus and just about completely wrong with Achilles and your retort is "Maximus has more revenge."? LoL, dude.

Anyhow, Maximus is replacing Hector here. So Maximus woudn't be in any kind of "revenge mode", only Achillies, as Maximus would have been the one to slit the cousin's throat in this scenario. Though that is irrelevant, Maximus can be twice as butt-hurt as he was in his film here and it's still not saving him.

You pretty much admitted that you're backing the lesser opponent just to back the lesser opponent, it takes more balls to say "alright, I was wrong", than is does to be a stubborn *******.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rob, Maximus was in a constant state of "I'm gonna get mine." It's what drove him. It drove him much more than it drove Achilles. It was literally controlled rage.

Maybe you should watch Troy all the way? <--- seriously

Because "controlled rage" is exactly Achilles' state of mind when he fought Hector, you can see it in his face(@ 1:15 & 6:57, bad acting though) and how he fights.

Proof:

YouTube video

I saw it all the way through. Maximus was faster and had way more damage soak.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I saw it all the way through.

Maximus was faster and had way more damage soak.

Two pages ago you said you "seriously feel asleep" 3/4 into it.

So when the "passion, revenge, freedom and controlled rage" angles didn't pan-out for you, you're back to previously failed "faster and more damage soak". Whatever, dude. Continue to be a stubborn idiot.

Originally posted by Robtard
Two pages ago you said you "seriously feel asleep" 3/4 into it.

So when the "passion, revenge, freedom and controlled rage" angles didn't pan-out for you, you're back to previously failed "faster and more damage soak".

The controlled rage and his resolve are a factor, like it or not.

No, I still think...know....he's faster than Achilles and has higher damage soak.

Whatever, dude. Continue to be a stubborn idiot.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I finished it. Obviously.

The controlled rage and his resolve are a factor, like it or not.

No, I still think...know....he's faster than Achilles and has higher damage soak.

Calm down, dude.

Then why the BS claims towards Achilles.

And Achilles brings those very same factors to this fight, like it or not.

Yes, well aware that once you take a stance, no matter how indefensible and foolish, you'll stick to it, cos.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not calm and this 'debate' is affecting me. As I said, whatever, dude.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then why the BS claims towards Achilles.

And Achilles brings those very same factors to this fight, like it or not.

Yes, well aware that once you take a stance, no matter how indefensible and foolish, you'll stick to it, cos.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not calm and this debate is affecting me. As I said, whatever, dude.

What BS claim?

Maximus even moreso.

Sure.

See? Toldja so.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What BS claim?

Maximus even moreso.

Sure.

See? Toldja so.

That Achilles only fought for fame and glory, if you paid attention to the film and what I said, fame and glory wasn't what Achilles fought for when he faced Hector.

Not in this set-up, but you'll ignore the conditions of this fight.

You basically said as much in regards to Marwash's comment, dude.

Done with the trolling?

Originally posted by Robtard
That Achilles only fought for fame and glory, if you paid attention to the film and what I said, fame and glory wasn't what Achilles fought for when he faced Hector.

Not in this set-up, but you'll ignore the conditions of this fight.

Exactly.

Done with the trolling?

I never said that was ALL he fought for. You telling me he didn't let his "invincibility" go to his head?

Nah, I know the conditions.

Indeed.

Oh Rob, you think it is actually possible for me to troll you? The fact that you are accusing me of trolling you is lulz.

I said this:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh well, I disagree.

Then you pulled your usual high school goading attack, sucking me back into it. Baiting much?

Just accept that I think Maximus is faster and has higher damage soak. I know you won't, but I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt,

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never said that was ALL he fought for. You telling me he didn't let his "invincibility" go to his head?

Nah, I know the conditions.

Indeed.

Nice edit of my post.

Oh Rob, you think it is actually possible for me to troll you? The fact that you are accusing me of trolling you is lulz.

I said this:

Then you pulled your usual high school goading attack, sucking me back into it. Baiting much?

Just accept that I think Maximus is faster and has higher damage soak. I know you won't, but I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt,

Pretty much what you said. His ego was warranted, he was the best. But as noted, fame and glory (ie ego) wasn't his state of mind when he faced Hector. You were wrong.

Yes, you know. I said you're ignoring them.

Not that you are, that you're trying, RJ.

Not how it went down and "usual HS goading attacks"? More trolling.

Again, not you're angle, you're being a stubborn idiot to be a stubborn idiot. But as I said "whatever, dude" <--- that's me letting it go.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty much what you said. His ego was warranted, he was the best. But as noted, fame and glory (ie ego) wasn't his state of mind when he faced Hector. You were wrong.

Yes, you know. I said you're ignoring them.

Not that you are, that you're trying, RJ.

Not how it went down and "usual HS tactics"? More trolling.

Again, not you're angle, you're being a stubborn idiot to be a stubborn idiot. But as I said "whatever, dude" <--- that's me letting it go.

K.

Nah.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Sure.

K.