Thor speed vs Wolverine/Spiderman vs Batman speed

I have been seeing numerous of thread derailed because of this (I'm not going to lie, I was one of the peeps).

Who is faster?

All 3 of these character have been presented in hundreds if not 1000s of comics so there are and should be enough feats to back each person up.

No using another person feat to aid another person in this thread (Bill, Thor - Wolverine, Sabertooth, Spiderman, Venom).

Please don't resort to "since he fought character "a" that means that he can fight at light". If you claim this, please prove how fast that person was moving against character "b".

So is Thor faster than these 2 peeps?

This thread is about to go off because it will likely become about Wolverine vs Spider-Man speed, I don't believe they are the same speed myself.

It would be excellent if we had someone to vote on the outcome of this... like a mod.

Do you remember when Thor went back to Wundagore and Mongoose was ripping him a new one? I know you said not to do this but I am doing it anyway.

In a straight line race he is probably faster than them, but in a battle with them no he is not.

Edit: he is fast enough to land hits on Wolverine, but not spiderman.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This thread is about to go off because it will likely become about Wolverine vs Spider-Man speed, I don't believe they are the same speed myself.

They are close in speed but this isn't about Spiderman vs Wolverine. This is about Thor being faster than Spiderman and Wolverine.

Thor is faster in both combat and straight line speed than both Wolverine and Spiderman. By a lot IMO to the point where it is stupid to even debate it.

Thor is faster (travel speed), they are quicker (combat speed)

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor is faster in both combat and straight line speed than both Wolverine and Spiderman. By a lot IMO to the point where it is stupid to even debate it.

Ok... let's start this off then

Maxtrix Wolverine.

He is at least 50 to 60 ft away. A guy shoot a bullet at him, he side steps the bullet and actually look at the bullet while it past and blitz the guy instantly from 50 ft away.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg

Originally posted by SamZED
Thor is faster (travel speed), they are quicker (combat speed)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This thread is about to go off because it will likely become about Wolverine vs Spider-Man speed, I don't believe they are the same speed myself.

People can keep dening it, but honestly it come to a point were it just words and the evidence is far to overwhealming.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
And yet he match spiderman speed consistently while fight next to eachother and against. He also display such speeds against his own rogue who are all roughly around spidermans speed for the most part. Oh he then on top of that he match parker rogues speed as well.

People can keep dening it, but honestly it come to a point were it just words and the evidence is far to overwhealming.

I think Spiderman seems faster to me because of his agility.

Can't be judged fairly imo. Look at it from a powerset and playing field point of view. Martial artists operate in a very different way and are written in a way to up their offensive output to beyond a level capable by US the reader. This makes us look at them and say wow, that was a cool ass feat, did you see Cassy Cains bullet dance? Awsome feat for an MA/Street comic, you wouldn't find that type of feat for Silver Surfer. It's not that he isn't capable, but he just operates and is written in a different way. By feats Batman can go toe to toe with Spider-man. Deathstroke can go toe to toe with WonderWoman (for a given value of Toe to toe).

This is because they have a shared written style, cqc action orientated, skill orientated moreso than a High Herald.

It's not a fair comparison.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
And yet he match spiderman speed consistently while fight next to eachother and against. He also display such speeds against his own rogue who are all roughly around spidermans speed for the most part. Oh he then on top of that he match parker rogues speed as well.

People can keep dening it, but honestly it come to a point were it just words and the evidence is far to overwhealming.

Then there's secret wars. Characters always "match" in a comic. When they are both big sellers.

I think of Wolverine and Spider-Man like Superman and Flash. Can Superman keep up with him? To an extent, but Flash gunning out is the man.

Originally posted by SamZED
Thor is faster (travel speed), they are quicker (combat speed)

this

though I do get Juk3n's point, I think in terms of a reasonable answer, sam is dead on

Originally posted by carver9
He is at least 50 to 60 ft away. A guy shoot a bullet at him, he side steps the bullet and actually look at the bullet while it past and blitz the guy instantly from 50 ft away.

...

are you saying that is an accurate representation of how fast wolverine is normally?

Originally posted by Juk3n
Can't be judged fairly imo. Look at it from a powerset and playing field point of view. Martial artists operate in a very different way and are written in a way to up their offensive output to beyond a level capable by US the reader. This makes us look at them and say wow, that was a cool ass feat, did you see Cassy Cains bullet dance? Awsome feat for an MA/Street comic, you wouldn't find that type of feat for Silver Surfer. It's not that he isn't capable, but he just operates and is written in a different way. By feats Batman can go toe to toe with Spider-man. Deathstroke can go toe to toe with WonderWoman (for a given value of Toe to toe).

This is because they have a shared written style, cqc action orientated, skill orientated moreso than a High Herald.

It's not a fair comparison.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Can't be judged fairly imo. Look at it from a powerset and playing field point of view. Martial artists operate in a very different way and are written in a way to up their offensive output to beyond a level capable by US the reader. This makes us look at them and say wow, that was a cool ass feat, did you see Cassy Cains bullet dance? Awsome feat for an MA/Street comic, you wouldn't find that type of feat for Silver Surfer. It's not that he isn't capable, but he just operates and is written in a different way. By feats Batman can go toe to toe with Spider-man. Deathstroke can go toe to toe with WonderWoman (for a given value of Toe to toe).

This is because they have a shared written style, cqc action orientated, skill orientated moreso than a High Herald.

It's not a fair comparison.

I agree, to a point. What if you have a high Herald claiming that a street/meta is faster than him... how do you look at it then?

Bottom line: speed is hard to quantify in comics.

When Thor lost his powers, he didn't seem to have any trouble keeping up with Steve during their running battle against gunmen.

Writers just tend to lower the power/speed/IQ of top tier characters when they face street level people....if they didn't, the fights would't last a page.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok... let's start this off then

Maxtrix Wolverine.

He is at least 50 to 60 ft away. A guy shoot a bullet at him, he side steps the bullet and actually look at the bullet while it past and blitz the guy instantly from 50 ft away.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg

Are you missing a scan? Because the description doesn't match up. I also disagree with Logan side stepping the bullet. It seems like he missed.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Do you remember when Thor went back to Wundagore and Mongoose was ripping him a new one? I know you said not to do this but I am doing it anyway.

In a straight line race he is probably faster than them, but in a battle with them no he is not.

Edit: he is fast enough to land hits on Wolverine, but not spiderman.

Context bro.

When pitted against Thor or fighting a common foe together with Thor, Marvel will play up the weaker characters so as not to make them "useless" in the story.. One of those things played up is speed and quickness.. But when it's time for Thor to stop humoring the "mortals", his other worldly feats should speak for themselves.. It's just simple as that..