Thor speed vs Wolverine/Spiderman vs Batman speed

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Actauly that not true at all. several of them have been suggested as fast before and almost all the ones who have superhuman stats have been stated to be as fast. Honestly think you just kinda came up with that to discredit wolverine matching spiderman and his rogues speed.

yea and what about it? Wolverine jumped straight up in the air at spidy who he never at contact with before and got hit. Fact you think that evidence to dismiss wolverien constantly matching spiderman is just 🙁 .

Not even remotely close. Your pretty much trying to pretend there is the same gap between wolverine and spiderman as flash and superman? dude that straight up delusional. Facy. Yes I say fact becayse there is so much evidence to support my side of the arguement and almost nothing for yours.

Wolverine matches his feats

Wolverine matches him when they fought which was a number of times

Spiderman question his speed against Wolverine.

Wolverine match spiderman rogues speed and beaten the shit out most of them.

Spiderman foughten and been match by wolverines rogues in speed.

Wolverine even matches spiderman speed when the fight with eachother, numerous times in new x-men.

I trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion that superman and flash is comparable to the gap between wolverine and spiderman, it Bullshit will full thinking on your part truth. If that came off mean I am sorry.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Both lizard and Puma have been stated as faster and vermin been stated as fast.

Wolverine has foughten and dodge carnage to. He also foughten venom 3 times. eddie twice and both times not only match his speed but stalemated him.

This is just 100% wrong and founded upon your ignorance of wolverine. fact. Wolverine is a superhuman. He not some human with crazy feats. He is superhuman been stated implied and referenced numerous times.

Yea spiderman thing is his speed yes, and who was wolverine designed after again? oh that right spiderman, Oh wait what is one of his main attributes and was show cased he his first appearances? speed.

Spiderman does not have better ones at all. I play this game with you and you have never been able to prove that.

what does wolverine saying spiderman can break his neck have to do with speed?

Your ability to dismiss everything wolverine does is astounding.

oh so now he wins becuase of plot device? And again your wrong. Why do you state things as fact when you clearly dont read any of his comics?

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They would all beat Spiderman do asside from Goblin, who would not beat wolverine either.

Omega red would beast parker as would other of wolverines rogue..

Am I supose to care what you and some random kmc came up with ina thread I never went it? yea I dont at all. And you have no idea what your talking about. Honestly you dont read wolverine at all and yet you make these statemates as if your some authority on the matter, and your not at all. I dont pull this shit ever and I own thousands I spiderman comics.

your point wrong. There is no significant gap in there speed. You can pretend all you like but it just not true.

Not really at all. You just dismiss everything and anything wolverine does. But fact is if you looked at what he done with spiderman against spiderman by him self against spidermans rogues and vice versa it is extremely easy to tell that they are very close in speed.

Where was this? Spider-Man was stated to be 40x faster than a human.

It's all based on your hatred of Spider-Man, Wolverine was never "stated" as superhumanly fast, you just pick and choose feats that you want and proceed to bash and flame. Don't tell me what characters I do and don't read. I read a variety of characters in many different media, and many different books. I spend more time reading things than anyone here. One of my main hobbies. The fact that the only people who argue this are Wolverine fa... supporters speak volumes.

Who said anything about Rogues beating characters, you brought it up as if it had something to do with speed, that is known as a red herring.

You did go in that thread, and you and your friends tried desperately to "prove" Wolverine's speed, which just came down to making excuses about Spider-Man's feats lol. Then you came on my site and made feats up, I remember that too. I called you out on it and you left.

You're trying to attack me instead of my argument just like I knew would happen, and you're getting upset. My point was speed is hard to quanitfy. If you, jinzin, carver, and srank think Wolverine is much faster, that is fine and you are welcome to, most just disagree. As do I.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=443877

I guess the majority of the forum doesn't read Wolverine. Nice try though.

My Superman/ Flash analogy holds true. Comparable in some ways, but not completely in high gear.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
One thing though S-Rank. I know we can't place a good measure on Thor's combat speed since he doesn't rely on it the same as Lower level characters. But does implying he's slower than peak human because of his lack of "feats" seem fair?

He also stomp vermin, lizard and puma while poisoned and he did so by utilizing his speed and superior skills.

You still think he a peak-human I know it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I forgot, you live in a fantasy realm where Thor actually has speed feats. Top end streets have noticeably better speed feats than Thor. Speedwise, Thor is Hulk, and Spider-man would dance around him like a statue.

Haha, this is cute. Hilarious, idiotic, and delusional but cute.

How on earth one could reach the conclusion that Thor doesn't even have super human levels of speed is mind boggling. It's also downright trolling as I've without a doubt posted numerous super human feats including the narration actually telling us Thor is moving at super human speed but whatever.

For the record, Thor is faster than the Hulk. That was made clear pretty early on.

why are Logan and SM being classed together, not like they are a package deal.
Saying they are the same speed doesn't make it so.

SM is and always will be faster.
He has superhuman speed as a power. he has superhuman strength>>Logan's that allows him to move easier.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Doesn't seem weird that the God of thunder and lightning has combat speed and reaction times lower than any b-list street leveller? That he is super in every single catagory EXCEPT reaction time? And that doesn't sound bogus?

But i wont argue, this isn't about what he SHOULD be like, it's about what his FEATS say he is like. So for the Record Cassandra Cain is Faster than Silver Surfer just because, and she is faster than wonder woman because dancing in gunfire > deflecting with yur hands (wrists)?

Of course it seems weird, but that's how it is and it's been that way for 50 years. Lack of speed feats is a problem that plagues many of Marvel's top tiers, and I don't believe it is my job (or yours) to a character the benefit of the doubt and assume they must be fast because they happen to be powerful in every other way. If the Editorial staff at Marvel wants me to believe that Thor is capable of great combat speed, then they need to depict him using it on panel. There is a pretty obvious difference in speed between Spider-man and Thor. Compare their fights with Absorbing Man and tell me you believe Thor's speed is anywhere close to Spider-mans.

I believe both WW and Surfer have FTL combat speed feats, so that comparison isn't apt.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thinking that Thor has speed feats means he lives in a fantasy world? This coming from someone who just said that Batman is faster than Thor?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed03JIM98.jpg

Is that all you got?

Look at this sh**.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3725/speedbarvw6.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Then why bring up the Surfer and Bill argument then. When Thor replicates Bill feat, then you can use it as a speed feat.

I didn't bring it up. And for the record, whatever Bill does, it's a pretty safe bet Thor can accomplish if not surpass it.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Well that fine for the peak humans, because wolverine the superman has been stated as faster.

He also stomp vermin, lizard and puma while poisoned and he did so by utilizing his speed and superior skills.

You still think he a peak-human I know it.

I said Wolverine was enhanced speed. He is stated to be in great shape and ability for a man his age and size blah blah blah... but I think he's enhanced by his "powers" and his strength by his skeleton.

I already said that before. You just hate me because I'm black. Lol.

Originally posted by batdude123
Are these suppose to help prove a point?

Are you trolling, or are you just plain stupid? He said Thor has no speed feats. Those are two speed feats. Do I really need to post 20 speed feats? I could have posted one and made my point.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
One thing though S-Rank. I know we can't place a good measure on Thor's combat speed since he doesn't rely on it the same as Lower level characters. But does implying he's slower than peak human because of his lack of "feats" seem fair?

I'm not going to give a character the benefit of doubt for no reason. If Daredevil has better reflex feats than Thor, than in my mind he is faster. Simple. Open and shut case.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not going to give a character the benefit of doubt for no reason. If Daredevil has better reflex feats than Thor, than in my mind he is faster. Simple. Open and shut case.

Originally posted by ankur29
why are Logan and SM being classed together, not like they are a package deal.
Saying they are the same speed doesn't make it so.

SM is and always will be faster.
He has superhuman speed as a power. he has superhuman strength>>Logan's that allows him to move easier.

I didn't make this thread to prove that Spiderman and Wolvy are equals. If you think Spiderman is faster... I'm not arguing against that. I want proof that Thor is faster than both Wolverine AND Spiderman, even if you don't think Wolvy is faster than Spidey.

Originally posted by SamZED
Im sorry DD, but imo you're jumping to conlusions when you bring up Spider-man doubting his speed. As been mentioned Logan admitted that Spider-man can break his neck. Twice now. But using that as an argument would be like me saying that Spider-man can see better in the dark than Wolverine because there was this one time when Spider-man saw him coming in the dark tunnel and Logan didnt. Heck, using evidence I can build a case that Parker is smarter than Reed Richards. And I could present lots of proofs from various books of dirrect comparison of their intellects with Parker being on top, I really can. But that wont make him smarter. What im saying is - one could probably argue that Batgirl is faster than Spider-man using same old evidence. But there are more point we have to concider. Now when it comes down to comparing street levelers speed I personally look at: overall feats (and I really do believe that there are some he wont be able to match), 1 on 1 fights and speed display against other characters. Now feats and enounters have been debated to death so ill explain what I mean by showings against other characters. For example - while I see Wolverine sh!tstomp Domino in a fight, I dont see him dance around her attacks like Spider-man. Or avoiding Sandman in a 10x10 foot metal room. Or dance around Deadpool's sword with ease, that kind of thing. And last but imo the most important argument (think ive mentioned it before) - Spider-man is not as experienced in fighting as Wolverine or Daredevil, Deadpool etc. He doesnt have the MA skills they have to keep him alive in fights, yet he survived (not counting PIS) as much crap as the other guys, and it would take either MA skills he doesnt have or a (maybe not a big one but still) speed advantage.

what about that pissed you off enough for such a long post? I mean do I really need to read it or did you just assume I argueing something else?

Originally posted by carver9
Is that all you got?

Look at this sh**.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3725/speedbarvw6.jpg

So MOVING faster than some bullets, is a better feat than ACTUALLY BUILDING a trench faster than human eyes can follow? Seems to me that Thor's task was much more complex than the scan of Wolverine you posted. Also it doesn't bode well for you that Wolverine sneak attacked Thor from behind once and Thor was still able to react to him quite easily.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I try to educate some one on the fact that wolverine is a superman and that he has similar speed to spiderman.

I have no desire to read this. why are you argueing with me?

Wolverine has Super healing, enhanced everything else.

Why are you arguing with me? I said from the beginning it would go off topic, you disagreed with what I said and pounced on me. I know I'm black but give peace a chance...

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
So MOVING faster than some bullets, is a better feat than ACTUALLY BUILDING a trench faster than human eyes can follow? Seems to me that Thor's task was much more complex than the scan of Wolverine you posted. Also it doesn't bode well for you that Wolverine sneak attacked Thor from behind once and Thor was still able to react to him quite easily.

Ok, Wolverine completely vanished in that scan. I never said that Thor couldn't move faster than human eyes but again, his feats aren't on Wolvys level.

I know you just didn't bring up a comic where Thor admitted Wolverine was faster?

Show me some "up to date" speed feats from Thor if he is faster than Wolvy (even though the classic stuff you showed isn't even comparable to what Wolvy has done).

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Understandable, but does someone like SS and Thor really rely on those abilities as much?

It isn't my place to decide if a character isn't demonstrating an ability because "he doesn't rely on that power," or because he simply lacks the ability. Frankly, how a character should be depicted is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how they are depicted. If next week Thor read an entire library worth of books in a second and had an FTL conversation with Quicksilver, I would say "About damn time!" But until he does, he can't. This isn't a fan-fic forum, we are debating using feats that have actually occurred, not speculating on theoretical abilities that have never been demonstrated.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a pretty obvious difference in speed between Spider-man and Thor. Compare their fights with Absorbing Man and tell me you believe Thor's speed is anywhere close to Spider-mans.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan32.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan34.jpg

But that doesn't count because there were no blurry afterimages right? People seem to confuse Thor's unwillingness to use a lot of his abilities with him straight up lacking them. Just as he limits Mjolnir, he limits himself physically. He enjoys fighting opponents at their level; this was the case as far back as Kirby's run. He has his low showings but so does everyone.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It isn't my place to decide if a character isn't demonstrating an ability because "he doesn't rely on that power," or because he simply lacks the ability. Frankly, how a character should be depicted is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how they [b]are depicted. If next week Thor read an entire library worth of books in a second and had an FTL conversation with Quicksilver, I would say "About damn time!" But until he does, he can't. This isn't a fan-fic forum, we are debating using feats that have actually occurred, not speculating on theoretical abilities that have never been demonstrated. [/B]

Lucifer not needing to "dodge" someone in a fight doesn't mean he has less reflexes though, where do we draw the line?