Originally posted by 753
hulk's reaction feats are very bit as good as thor's and while they can both react with superhuman speed and calculate trajectories etc very well, neither of them are speedsters. superman is above them both in reaction and general motion/flight speed. he is a true speedster.
Thor is most definitely faster than the Hulk. It was made clear in their very first battle. Unfortunately, when Thor fights the Hulk, he tries to prove his strength.
Originally posted by Newjak
Maybe not 90% and I think percent is a bad way to describe it.Let's jsut say if Superman and Thor were going all out.
Superman's speed dial would be at an 11 or 12.
Thor's would be at a 9.
Superman is obviously better but I think Thor can deal with it. Which has always been my stance.
Edit:
Ok I think I demonstrated the level of difference when I wrote my Superman vs Thor battle in the rain. When Superman was going full speed the rain stopped completely when Thor did it the rain became a slow slow crawl to demonstrate the difference I feel in their senses but that Thor could still react and comprehend Superman as an object.
Oh I think Thor can hang with them because of reflexes, I was just wondering where you would place his body speed, particularly in combat.
Originally posted by 753This is what I am talking about.
but by definition they aren't superhumans just like you claim cassandra isn't by definitionyour arrogance is funny, I read all his tiles and have done so for a while
seryously, are you trying not to understand the point? it makes no ****ing difference if elektra capitain america and cassandra are defined as peak humans they can match or exceed logan's feats which is all that matters. wolverine's speed isnt beyond wat peak humans pull off ona regular basis in comics. even batman who is slower than cass and elektra can match logan's feats. cassie's blitzing feats are pretty much the best in the non-speedster class btw
scans? and why do you assume dodging a tank shell is more impressive? he's been arround a lot longer than she has. her blitzing is more frequent in relative terms and more consistent.
facepalm nobody is saying she isnt a peak human. were sayign logan has nothing that puts him beyond peak humans in the reaction speed departament.
yeah, you just cant understand what is in the pretty pictures and then talk out of your ass when half the forum shows you that peak humans can match or exceed all of logan's supposedly superhuman reaction feats.
With Spider-Man and Logan.... "Spider-Man may be stated to be faster, but Logan has "similar" feats".
But you can say the same thing about Batman, Robin, etc. What makes them slower than Logan? They have done "similar" feats as well. So the argument seems like a double standard. I'm sorry to say it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat also has to include crossovers "equalizing" the characters for a good show as well.
On paper, the difference between Clark and Thor is huge. In practice? I think JLA/Avengers illustrated what I'd expect for the most part. Just the way comics work I guess.
Originally posted by Starscream MOnly a couple ever said that, and I wasn't one of them.
its how you end up with ppl saying flash beats odin. 😐
Odin would beat Flash in a comic, he has the power to do so, as does Strange. In a KMC match with the stipulations involved (and with Zoom included) Flash and Zoom benefit from the rules more. And their chances increase considerably.
I remember you arguing the same yourself in the past.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWell we know when needed to he can move his limbs at extreme speeds. He can spin his hammer at faster than light.
Oh I think Thor can hang with them because of reflexes, I was just wondering where you would place his body speed, particularly in combat.
Obviously still not as good as Superman, but IMO if they sat there and traded blows for every like 4-5 Superman would land Thor could get 1 or 2 in.
Originally posted by NewjakGotcha, so in terms of combat you'd say Thor is about 20% of Superman.
Well we know when needed to he can move his limbs at extreme speeds. He can spin his hammer at faster than light.Obviously still not as good as Superman, but IMO if they sat there and traded blows for every like 4-5 Superman would land Thor could get 1 or 2 in.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well we know when needed to he can move his limbs at extreme speeds. He can spin his hammer at faster than light.Obviously still not as good as Superman, but IMO if they sat there and traded blows for every like 4-5 Superman would land Thor could get 1 or 2 in.
His hammer can move at FTL, it is one it its power/enchantments and has nothing to do with Thor's speed...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh I think Thor can hang with them because of reflexes, I was just wondering where you would place his body speed, particularly in combat.This is what I am talking about.
With Spider-Man and Logan.... "Spider-Man may be stated to be faster, but Logan has "similar" feats".
But you can say the same thing about Batman, Robin, etc. What makes them slower than Logan? They have done "similar" feats as well. So the argument seems like a double standard. I'm sorry to say it. That also has to include crossovers "equalizing" the characters for a good show as well.
Batman and Robin are slower than Wolverine because even though they have "similar feats,' those similar feats are inferior to Logan's. Pretty simple. Spider-man is slightly faster than Wolverine, because he has slightly faster speed feats. Captain America is slightly faster than Batman because he has slightly faster speed feats. It's not rocket science.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His hammer can move at FTL, it is one it its power/enchantments and has nothing to do with Thor's speed...
He threw an Alien into space, the comic even stated that he'd be out of the solar system before his ships could catch up. Thor's arms had to be moving FTL to make such a throw.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhich time?
They didn't equalize Flash/Quicksilver.
Originally posted by NewjakUnderstandable, I was just getting the idea.
This might come off as question dodging but I think Thor can hold his own. I don't want to tie a specific number to it cause people will take it way too out of context.
Originally posted by Starscream MNope.
I might have, but I hope I was being facetious at the time.
Originally posted by Starscream M
if he is, then its so slight as not to make a difference.
If Thor can move so fast Hulk can't even tell where he went it would obviously make a huge difference.
If he utilized his speed, I'd bet it'd be similar to the fight with Juggernaut or the Absorbing Man. I.e. Thor pounding him into submission with the Hulk being unable to land a blow. Unfortunately, Thor fights Hulk specifically to test his might.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman and Robin are slower than Wolverine because even though they have "similar feats,' those similar feats are inferior to Logan's. Pretty simple. Spider-man is slightly faster than Wolverine, because he has slightly faster speed feats. Captain America is slightly faster than Batman because he has slightly faster speed feats. It's not rocket science.
Really, someone has looked at all of those feats?
My point is using the argument towards Logan and Spider-Man and not using it towards Batman and Logan is contradictory. Last I checked is that they were considered "equal" due to similar feats.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, he took them out fast enough to leave after-images....leaving after-images is something both NW and DD have done.
What he did is chamber and throw a punch. Stopped. Moved 45 degrees. Chambered and threw another punch. Stopped Moved 45 degrees. Chambered and threw another punch. Stopped. Moved 45 degrees. Chambered and threw another punch. He did it seemingly simultaneously in the blink of an eye before anyone could react.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What he did is chamber and throw a punch. Stopped. Moved 45 degrees. Chambered and threw another punch. Stopped Moved 45 degrees. Chambered and threw another punch. Stopped. Moved 45 degrees. Chambered and threw another punch. He did it seemingly simultaneously in the blink of an eye before anyone could react.
Like I said, he attacked fast enough to leave after-images, something that NW and DD have both done.