Thor speed vs Wolverine/Spiderman vs Batman speed

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Except his character. Thor has made it abundantly clear that if he wants to, he can illustrate a speed/skill advantage over Juggernaut, Hulk type characters. He simply doesn't for the majority. Just like he doesn't demonstrate his power or versatility edge. Holding back and fighting opponents on their level is a pretty big part of Thor's character. It's even worse against the Hulk because it's a matter of pride and honor.

It's a hell of a lot better than your argument if you can call it that.

Last I checked, they're still cannon.

they're canon...so friggin what. doesn't mean they're still relevant...they're not. both characters have changed quite a bit.

Originally posted by batdude123
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How about that skank vs. Philo battlezone.. when is that coming up... or the Brucey vs. Dum Dum

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How about that skank vs. Philo battlezone.. when is that coming up... or the Brucey vs. Dum Dum

I don't know about the DD/Bruce bz, but Phil and Srank agreed to have one in a few weeks, I think.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree with you there, bullets job way too much.

Although in all honesty I can't say that Wolverine has better dodging/stealth type feats than Batman. Batman has to rely on that whereas Logan doesn't.

Wolverine has sneaked into the Baxter Building and Stark Tower (he is one of the only characters who has been able to do so without gear or aid), and he didn't have a hand in building and designing those security systems like Batman. He was able to avoid Strike Force X for weeks in the rain forest, taking them out one at a time with gorilla tactics, and they all have the same abilities as Wolverine (as well as built in night vision and an assortment of high tech weaponry). Wolverine has also sneaked up on Daredevil, and he has many impressive "ninja vanish" type feats under his belt. I would say outside of sneaking up on Superman (which is well outside the purview of suspension of disbelieve), Wolverine has better stealth feats that Batman.

You mean the time Sue was watching him "sneak in" on the monitors?

Originally posted by Starscream M
I guess thor has to remember not to hold back to much...lest he gets his face smashed in with his own mjolnir by hulk again.

they're canon...so friggin what. doesn't mean they're still relevant...they're not. both characters have changed quite a bit.

Heh. Concession accepted.

Oh really? mhmm

Point me the big changes in speed that the Hulk has undergone.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has better stealth feats that Batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
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I lol'd too.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has sneaked into the Baxter Building and Stark Tower (he is one of the only characters who has been able to do so without gear or aid), and he didn't have a hand in building and designing those security systems like Batman. He was able to avoid Strike Force X for weeks in the rain forest, taking them out one at a time with gorilla tactics, and they all have the same abilities as Wolverine (as well as built in night vision and an assortment of high tech weaponry). Wolverine has also sneaked up on Daredevil, and he has many impressive "ninja vanish" type feats under his belt. I would say outside of sneaking up on Superman (which is well outside the purview of suspension of disbelieve), Wolverine has better stealth feats that Batman.

I personally wouldn't take that stance. I've seen Batman sneak up and pull a disappearing act on everyone from Superman to the Martian Manhunter.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I personally wouldn't take that stance. I've seen Batman sneak up and pulling a disappearing act from Superman to the Martian Manhunter.

Just saying.

I'm well aware of that, but Superman can hear the heart palpitations of a of a dust mite in Africa. Batman sneaking up on Clark (or MM) is too much for suspension of disbelief to cover. It's PIS as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I personally wouldn't take that stance. I've seen Batman sneak up and pull a disappearing act on everyone from Superman to the Martian Manhunter.

Just saying.

Low showing for Superman, and completely , totally 100% out of character for him. Like Steve Rogers knocking back Hulk. Thats completley out of Hulks character to suffer such a reaction to a class 1 blow. When he can go toe to toe with an asteroid.

Buildings don't suffer from PIS. Batmans feat is beyond the believable scope of the character. His footstpes might have been silent, but his heart beats are not.

I'm fairly sure that someone posted a scan of Sue watching Wolverine "sneak into" the Baxter building during the Infinity War story.

Originally posted by batdude123
Quite the opposite really... at least in terms of speed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, Superman jobbed in the crossover?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You can't really be serious can you? How can you read that crossover and come to the conclusion that Busiek was trying to play the equalization card?

Busiek portrayed the speed advantage like I wager most writers would if Thor battled Superman or a clone. It's there, and they'll use it briefly, but it's not going to be what wins them the fight the majority of the time.

Can someone post the match.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has sneaked into the Baxter Building and Stark Tower (he is one of the only characters who has been able to do so without gear or aid), and he didn't have a hand in building and designing those security systems like Batman. He was able to avoid Strike Force X for weeks in the rain forest, taking them out one at a time with gorilla tactics, and they all have the same abilities as Wolverine (as well as built in night vision and an assortment of high tech weaponry). Wolverine has also sneaked up on Daredevil, and he has many impressive "ninja vanish" type feats under his belt. I would say outside of sneaking up on Superman (which is well outside the purview of suspension of disbelieve), Wolverine has better stealth feats that Batman.

Buildings might not have PIS as a unit but the things inside of them can "job" in a sense.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You mean the time Sue was watching him "sneak in" on the monitors?

He made it almost to the center of complex without setting of any of Reed's alarms or alerting anyone to his presence before Sue finally saw him. I think she stated it was impossible he got as far as he did.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Heh. Concession accepted.

Oh really? mhmm

Point me the big changes in speed that the Hulk has undergone.

yes, really. you do realize that not everything that's canon is relevant right?

WWH...hulk became much more powerful. and later in world breaker, he became even more powerful.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He made it almost to the center of complex without setting of any of Reed's alarms or alerting anyone to his presence before Sue finally saw him. I think she stated it was impossible he got as far as he did.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Quicksilver has had some upgrades, but I think Flash all out is well beyond Quicksilver. Can someone post the match? What I mean, is you'll never see a comic where for instance Superman blitzes Captain America and throw it away. Super Speed characters are treated like humans that move fast, they usually don't use their abilities to the max.

Can someone post the match. I think the arguments to this have been posted already. I'd give the edge to Batman. Maybe they are comparable, but Batman does it more consistently against a higher caliber of opponents.

Buildings might not have PIS as a unit but the things inside of them can "job" in a sense.

Quicksilver has been upgraded to light speed, but Flash still has feats that would require him to be moving literally billions of times faster than light.

Non PIS, Wolverine has better stealth feats, with PIS Batman can disappear from Superman and has the best stealth feats of any character in any genre. Like Wolverine's healing factor you need to compartmentalize Batman's relevant feats, and his absurd PIS ones.

Yea...and IIRC the building was full of other heroes, so there is no reason to assume that the security system was set to max.

It would be like using someone getting caught crashing a party at the playboy mansion to prove that they can sneak in at night.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm well aware of that, but Superman can hear the heart palpitations of a of a dust mite in Africa. Batman sneaking up on Clark (or MM) is too much for suspension of disbelief to cover. It's PIS as far as I'm concerned.

I've seen him do it more than once on both Superman and Martian Manhunter. At one point, Batman broke into some highly guarded facility and Clark along with John scanned for him with their senses, couldn't even see him. They were baffled.

Batman has snuck around White Martians, pulled the disappearing act on a Flash, broke into the Spectre's temple which was thought to be impossible IIRC. He also infiltrated Lex Corps, used guerrilla tactics on the Legion and the Science Police in the 31st Century etc.

You'd really be hard pressed to prove Logan having better sneaking around/breaking in feats.

Originally posted by Newjak

Edit:

Ok I think I demonstrated the level of difference when I wrote my Superman vs Thor battle in the rain. When Superman was going full speed the rain stopped completely when Thor did it the rain became a slow slow crawl to demonstrate the difference I feel in their senses but that Thor could still react and comprehend Superman as an object.

Except a better comparison would be that while rain became slow for Thor, for Superman you'd have to kick it up to something like this: