DOS Doomsday vs Captain Marvel (Billy)

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Captain Marvel.

It doesn't make it not true, either. Superman isn't going to talk out of his ass like that and not mean it.

Has Superman been turned inside out? Both Cap and Adam have been punched around by skyfather level beings and been able to stand up afterwards and kept on fighting. If anything, their durability is around the same. Billy can stand up to magic better, we all know that.

Both PC and Golden Age knock Superman out of the water.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
He can say anything he wants. Just because he said it, doesn't make it true. I can name plenty of things characters have said that's clearly not true. Besides which, Superman's also known for being modest.

Until someone shows me some durability feats from CM that match Superman's best durability feats, I don't think you'll be able to convince me he's more durable. Certainly not durable enough to take on this Doomsday (who himself would have beaten Superman one on one probably 8/10)

Didn't Captain Marvel fight turned inside out once though???

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It doesn't make it not true, either. Superman isn't going to talk out of his ass like that and not mean it.

Has Superman been turned inside out? Both Cap and Adam have been punched around by skyfather level beings and been able to stand up afterwards and kept on fighting. If anything, their durability is around the same. Billy can stand up to magic better, we all know that.

Both PC and Golden Age knock Superman out of the water.

A weakened Superman took a debatable portion of a blast that was equivalent of 50 supernovas. Even if it was 1/50th of it (i.e. one supernova) that's like taking billions of nuclears bombs at once. Granted that's a ridiculously high end feat, but still. Also, you can look at the track records of CANON fights the two have had, and you'll see that despite what many people mistakenly believe, Superman looks much better, and he also does against common opponents.

I will say you are right that he has better resistance to magic though, although Superman's has increased also...especially lately.

But still, this is Doomsday vs Captain Marvel. Doomsday isn't magical. Superman died fighting this doomsday, after this doomsday fought the JLA, and doomsday was distracted half of the fight with Superman. If you're telling me CM is beating Doomsday for a majority, I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion....

Which opponents have Cap looked bad against? He took quite a beating from Spectre (angry) for a while. Superman fell against Spectre, who isn't quite magic.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I will say you are right that he has better resistance to magic though, although Superman's has increased also...especially lately.
Are you trying to imply Superman's magic resistance is close?

Also, issues where Superman gets the upper hand against Billy?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Which opponents have Cap looked bad against? He took quite a beating from Spectre (angry) for a while. Superman fell against Spectre, who isn't quite magic.

Not "bad" but has done worse than superman against them. Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman for 2 examples.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Not "bad" but has done worse than superman against them. Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman for 2 examples.

Superman has had some bad luck against both of those as well.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Are you trying to imply Superman's magic resistance is close?

Also, issues where Superman gets the upper hand against Billy?

Where did I say they were close? I love it when people put words into my mouth. I said Superman's magic resistance has increased...meaning RELATIVE TO HIS OWN OLD MAGIC RESISTANCE. This is indisputable. As for issue numbers, give me an hour and I'll find them. I have to dig through some comics.

Captain Marvel also fought off Wonder Woman and a good portion of the JLA while in hell with a broken arm AND the Power of Shazam being split multiple ways.

I am not sure but didnt Marvel have his way with Lobo? I maybe getting this confused with something else

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Where did I say they were close? I love it when people put words into my mouth. I said Superman's magic resistance has increased...meaning RELATIVE TO HIS OWN OLD MAGIC RESISTANCE. This is indisputable. As for issue numbers, give me an hour and I'll find them. I have to dig through some comics.
I asked if you were implying? I love when people put words in my mouth.

K, will be waiting. Hope you don't try to say the Hawkman/Billy vs Superman/Batman fight is where Superman had the upper hand...

lol

Billy wrecks him hes made to shit stomp bricks

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Then Superman beat the absolute shit out of Captain Marvel during the ECLIPSO thing
Did you even see that fight?

No seriously. I get that you like Superman, but no need to make shit up to try and prove he's epically awesome. Use feats from other sources while ignoring the Billy fights like everyone else.

Captain Marvel wins on account of him being Superman's equal. Since current Superman is on another level compared to his DOS version I don't see why Marvel wouldn't take it. I'd give it to current Supes without hesitation. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Captain Marvel doesn't have better durability than Superman. Superman is > CM. Its one of the worst internet myths that they are equals.

they are compareable but ya superman is probobly a bit more durable but not by much. The though that superman is light years ahead of billy in durabilty and in strength, is among one of the worst internet myths ever.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
I meant damage soak.......and who do you think would win?

And I still think Cap Marvel > Durability is greater

i think that comes from the fact that Superman has more abusable vulnerabilities than Batson who has no real weaknesses/vulnerabilities. Also Supes is much more inconsistent, but on the whole I'd put him very slightly above Billy in the durability department. However an Average Marvel has a better overall attack than a lot of superman's with his Shazam lightning in terms of a high end finisher.

Captain Marvel vs. Doomsday

Post-Crisis Captain Marvel battles Death of Superman Doomsday.

- Battle takes place in Fawcett City

- Blood lust is on but both are in character

- Winner by knock out or death.

Who wins and why?