Originally posted by Uriel005
i think that comes from the fact that Superman has more abusable vulnerabilities than Batson who has no real weaknesses/vulnerabilities. Also Supes is much more inconsistent, but on the whole I'd put him very slightly above Billy in the durability department. However an Average Marvel has a better overall attack than a lot of superman's with his Shazam lightning in terms of a high end finisher.
Thing about Batson is he has no magic weakness
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Where did I say they were close? I love it when people put words into my mouth. I said Superman's magic resistance has increased...meaning RELATIVE TO HIS OWN OLD MAGIC RESISTANCE. This is indisputable. As for issue numbers, give me an hour and I'll find them. I have to dig through some comics.
Pillar, when I say this... I want you to understand... "you don't know what you are talking about".
Lol... did you bring up the Eclipso fight...HAHAHAHAHA... you do know that Eclipso stated in that same comic (in which Cap was holding back) that Cap can kill Superman with a single punch.
I truly hope you are not talking about the fight that took place during the Superman/Batman comic? You might want to read what Superman said in that comic.
Originally posted by carver9
Pillar, when I say this... I want you to understand... "you don't know what you are talking about".Lol... did you bring up the Eclipso fight...HAHAHAHAHA... you do know that Eclipso stated in that same comic (in which Cap was holding back) that Cap can kill Superman with a single punch.
I truly hope you are not talking about the fight that took place during the Superman/Batman comic? You might want to read what Superman said in that comic.
Where did he say that? This all sounds very familiar, like we've gone through this before...
and Superman's resistance to magic is a little better than it used to be, yes.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Where did he say that? This all sounds very familiar, like we've gone through this before...and Superman's resistance to magic is a little better than it used to be, yes.
We have debated this topic and I won by providing a scan. It was stated in the comic by Eclipso (when they were tossing ships around).
I agree, it is a lot better but it isn't better to the point where he would get an advantage against Billy imo.
Originally posted by carver9
We have debated this topic and I won by providing a scan. It was stated in the comic by Eclipso (when they were tossing ships around).I agree, it is a lot better but it isn't better to the point where he would get an advantage against Billy imo.
I'd have to see this scan, because IIRC, the argument went very differently.
Originally posted by carver9I stopped reading at this part:
We have debated this topic and I won by providing a scan. It was stated in the comic by Eclipso (when they were tossing ships around).I agree, it is a lot better but it isn't better to the point where he would get an advantage against Billy imo.
I won by providing a scan.durpalm
I don't have a scanner myself, but I do own Day of Vengeance. Eclipso says as much on page 57 of the trade:
"I know that's not Superman talking, Eclipso. And you know I can't kill him.
"Not can't---won't! You don't have a choice! You know what he'll do! DO IT!!
Now, this isn't what's claimed and it could just be Eclipso lying since he was trying to get Billy to feel rage in his heart so he could possess him to gain a permanent host, but take it as you will.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I don't have a scanner myself, but I do own Day of Vengeance. Eclipso says as much on page 57 of the trade:"[b]I know
that's not Superman talking, Eclipso. And you know I can't kill him."Not can't---won't! You don't have a choice! You know what he'll do! DO IT!!
Now, this isn't what's claimed and it could just be Eclipso lying since he was trying to get Billy to feel rage in his heart so he could possess him to gain a permanent host, but take it as you will. [/B]
That doesn't really mean anything. Not evidence at all. He might as well not bother if that's the scan he's looking for.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I don't have a scanner myself, but I do own Day of Vengeance. Eclipso says as much on page 57 of the trade:"[b]I know
that's not Superman talking, Eclipso. And you know I can't kill him."Not can't---won't! You don't have a choice! You know what he'll do! DO IT!!
Now, this isn't what's claimed and it could just be Eclipso lying since he was trying to get Billy to feel rage in his heart so he could possess him to gain a permanent host, but take it as you will. [/B]
That's what I thought he said (or something similar). What Carver is claiming is something else entirely, though. Superman in a headlock begged Billy to kill him, but he wouldn't.
Not quite the same as "one punch" especially seeing as Billy was on the defensive for most of the fight...
Originally posted by The Pict
That doesn't really mean anything. Not evidence at all.
I quoted direct text and the page number of the conversation. Now I'll quote the issue number and specific story name, Lightning Strikes Twice, Adventures of Superman 639 and Superman 216. Part 1 is a Superman Annual but I can't seem to find the number.
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's what I thought he said (or something similar). What Carver is claiming is something else entirely, though. Superman in a headlock begged Billy to kill him, but he wouldn't.Not quite the same as "one punch" especially seeing as Billy was on the defensive for most of the fight...
Which was why I was clarifying the debated piece of evidence. 😛
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I quoted direct text and the page number of the conversation. Now I'll quote the issue number and specific story name, Lightning Strikes Twice, Adventures of Superman 639 and Superman 216. Part 1 is a Superman Annual but I can't seem to find the number.
I'm not doubting the source, mate. I just don't think Eclipso saying CM won't kill Superman means he'd win a fight between the two, let alone kill him with a single punch (ridiculous) like Carver suggests.
Originally posted by The Pict
I'm not doubting the source, mate. I just don't think Eclipso saying CM won't kill Superman means he'd win a fight between the two, let alone kill him with a single punch (ridiculous) like Carver suggests.
Ah, sorry, I thought you were saying that me quoting that wasn't evidence since I wasn't posting the actual scan. 😮
But yeah, I'm not saying Marvel could kill Superman, I was just clarifying the debated instance.
Though I think we might be getting off topic here.
Do we agree that Captain Marvel was/is more powerful than Superman was in the 90s when he first fought Doomsday to a fatal standstill?