Thor (movie) vs Superman (movie)

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Think what you want but if someone can benchpress a fricking island and has near light speed his striking force is not to be doubted, but since it isn't Thor with the feats lets just ignore it. right? Let us go by portrayals. What a joke.

The whole ordeal made the destroyer look bad because it couldn't even straight out kill a powerless Thor.

True Superman is a wuss when it comes to fighting skills. Having said that...
Wtf? Are you really implying that if you block the sun from Superman he will lose his powers? Whatever happens during the night? He did the whole recharge thing because of the kryptonite. Thor does not have access to kryptonite.

Gonna ignore the bus statement because it was discussed a while ago.

Yeah all the asgardians probably have super strength, but it is nothing compared to what Superman has shown. Thor tanked everything, true, but nothing thrown at him was shown to be anywhere near Superman's league. I believe it is unfair to assume Thor would just tank everything Superman throws at him.

LoL. Superman survived re-entry and crash landing on metropolis while being unconscious/comatose and possibly near powerless.

True.

It was a bitchslap not intended to kill Thor. It was beyond any frost giant or asgardian save Thor from what we know. Thor was that good.

What's Superman's league ? He struggled with a bus and is getting knocked around by manholes so don't act like since he lifted an island once this undermines how he fights or is portrayed at fighting. Thor actually used quick speeds wit his hammer the whole movie.

He wasn't powerless and was saved in the hospital because of the medical staff. thor didn't even need a hospital after getting slapped by the destroyer. Advantage Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Superman fight at light speed in the movies > I mean his portrayal is constantly a lot slower nor is it anywhere near light speed combat. Sure take a feat after his speed failed him in rescuing Lois and then pretend he fights at that speed. Nope. Sorry.

It was a bitchslap not intended to kill Thor. It was beyond any frost giant or asgardian save Thor from what we know. Thor was that good.

What's Superman's league ? He struggled with a bus and is getting knocked around by manholes so don't act like since he lifted an island once this undermines how he fights or is portrayed at fighting. Thor actually used quick speeds wit his hammer the whole movie.

He wasn't powerless and was saved in the hospital because of the medical staff. thor didn't even need a hospital after getting slapped by the destroyer. Advantage Thor.

Scientists were estimating Superman's speed being near light speed when he was solving problems around the globe. Like you said Superman didn't fight anyone in Returns, and the one time he did fight Zod and co. technology was not up to par to present such an instance. Did I claim Superman was fighting at light speed anywhere in the movie? No, I did not. I did mention he could move/fly near light speed, which is a great asset no matter how much you want to ignore it.

You honestly think Loki didn't want to kill Thor? Thor was good, true, but the frost giants and the asgardians were pushovers. Nothing they did impressed me whatsoever. Hell movie Spider-man was more impressive.

Buses and manholes thrown by kryptonians, mind you. Was he hurt by the manhole? No. He was just sent flying backwards by the force it was thrown with. Something similar would happen if he was to get hit by a MJOLNIR throw.

LoL he was powerless. How would the doctors be able to remove the kryptonite from him if he wasn't? Once it was removed his skin became invulnerable to a certain degree. Of course Thor didn't need a hospital since, you know, he died and then regained his power.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Scientists were estimating Superman's speed being near light speed when he was solving problems around the globe. Like you said Superman didn't fight anyone in Returns, and the one time he did fight Zod and co. technology was not up to par to present such an instance. Did I claim Superman was fighting at light speed anywhere in the movie? No, I did not. I did mention he could move/fly near light speed, which is a great asset no matter how much you want to ignore it.

You honestly think Loki didn't want to kill Thor? Thor was good, true, but the frost giants and the asgardians were pushovers. Nothing they did impressed me whatsoever. Hell movie Spider-man was more impressive.

Buses and manholes thrown by kryptonians, mind you. Was he hurt by the manhole? No. He was just sent flying backwards by the force it was thrown with. Something similar would happen if he was to get hit by a MJOLNIR throw...assuming Thor is as strong as them.

LoL he was powerless. How would the doctors be able to remove the kryptonite from him if he wasn't? Once it was removed his skin became invulnerable to a certain degree. Of course Thor didn't need a hospital since, you know, he died and then regained his power.

Loki was trying to kill Thor. The rost giants weren't pushovers as their race tore out Odin's eye. They weren't a race easily beaten into the ground despite their cannon fodder mentality. The other asgaridans were about to be killed till Thor saved their asses. Thor and Odin were beyond all others in this movie.

Yes, someone with superhuman strength can hurt Superman with a manhole so logically a magical hammer does that and more so.

Thor recovered on his own is the point. His human self was leaps and bounds more formidable than depowered Superman. All Superman has are his powers unlike Thor who is a trained warrior even without them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is but he wasn't fighting his opponents at light speed he was traveling the globe to solve different problems.

Loki was trying to kill Thor. The rost giants weren't pushovers as their race tore out Odin's eye. They weren't a race easily beaten into the ground despite their cannon fodder mentality. The other asgaridans were about to be killed till Thor saved their asses. Thor and Odin were beyond all others in this movie.

Yes, someone with superhuman strength can hurt Superman with a manhole so logically a magical hammer does that and more so.

Thor recovered on his own is the point. His human self was leaps and bounds more formidable than depowered Superman. All Superman has are his powers unlike Thor who is a trained warrior even without them.

I don't think it is a stretch to assume he wouldn't use his speed if he had too. Take in mind I have never said Superman blitzes Thor into submission.

Doesn't really say much. Thor and Odin being above the rest of the unimpressive roster. To me the frost giants and asgardians would be equally humbled, if not more so, by Superman. We're going around circles here so I will drop it.

Not just superhuman strength, vast superhuman strength.

He didn't recover on his own. Odin gave him the nod to regain his powers. Yes Thor is much more skilled and would beat powerless Clark into submission without trying. Thing is, when talking powers, I think the gap between them is huge in Superman's favor.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't think it is a stretch to assume he wouldn't use his speed if he had too. Take in mind I have never said Superman blitzes Thor into submission.

Doesn't really say much. Thor and Odin being above the rest of the unimpressive roster. To me the frost giants and asgardians would be equally humbled, if not more so, by Superman. We're going around circles here so I will drop it.

Not just superhuman strength, vast superhuman strength.

He didn't recover on his own. Odin gave him the nod to regain his powers. Yes Thor is much more skilled and would beat powerless Clark into submission without trying. Thing is, when talking powers, I think the gap between them is huge in Superman's favor.

The point is they are superhuman threats and like most races on screen you have to turn them into cannon fodder with a few standing out mainly Thor.

I don't see their strength as >>Thor's enough to matter. The manhole didn't even look like it was thrown that fast.

Odin was asleep Thor recovere dthem when he earned them. LOL.

The gap isn't huge and Thor being a lot more skilled would more than likely tear Superman apart while sparing his life giving him the Loki treatment. Odin's own weapon against him didn't even seem that fordmiable due to Thor's badassery.

Glad you admit Superman is more dependent on his powers and without them is just a human being unlike Thor.

Superman

Originally posted by shokosugi
Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because you can't say it since he really doesn't do it. What chance would Luthor have if he so chooses to do so.

The point is they are superhuman threats and like most races on screen you have to turn them into cannon fodder with a few standing out mainly Thor.

I don't see their strength as >>Thor's enough to matter. The manhole didn't even look like it was thrown that fast.

Odin was asleep Thor recovere dthem when he earned them. LOL.

The gap isn't huge and Thor being a lot more skilled would more than likely tear Superman apart while sparing his life giving him the Loki treatment. Odin's own weapon against him didn't even seem that fordmiable due to Thor's badassery.

Glad you admit Superman is more dependent on his powers and without them is just a human being unlike Thor.

The movie would end in less than a second. We all know why he doesn't do it.

Odin is asleep but he can see and hear everything. The frost giant that is about to kill odin mentions it. Then we see Odin shed a tear when Thor dies because of the sacrifice and then MJOLNIR returns to him.

The gap is huge. Superman demonstrated quantifiable feats. Thor...beat a lot of superhumans with unknown power levels. IMO his most impressive feat was the storm he summoned to destroy the destroyer, no pun intended.

Yeah Superman is a pussy without his powers. I never liked that about the donner/singer films. I hope we see the end of clumsy/lame Clark when he gets the "reboot."

Originally posted by Zack Fair
The movie would end in less than a second. We all know why he doesn't do it.

Odin is asleep but he can see and hear everything. The frost giant that is about to kill odin mentions it. Then we see Odin shed a tear when Thor dies because of the sacrifice and then MJOLNIR returns to him.

The gap is huge. Superman demonstrated quantifiable feats. Thor...beat a lot of superhumans with unknown power levels. IMO his most impressive feat was the storm he summoned to destroy the destroyer, no pun intended.

Yeah Superman is a pussy without his powers. I never liked that about the donner/singer films. I hope we see the end of clumsy/lame Clark when he gets the "reboot."

That doesn't mean Odin helped him. Thor finally proved his worthiness Odin sat there silent unable to do anything. despite Loki's lies and tricks Odin couldn't intervene. Odin foresaw thor would prove himself which he did.

No, the gap isn't huge points at Superman's fights against other k-nians etc. These feats neevr translate ever into combat type strength. Wait until you see the next Superman movie to find out this whole island/mountain type arguing really doesn't prove anything.

I always argue bases off of portrayals and I see Thor winning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because that isn't how he is portrayed in terms of combat speed. His top speeds are really fast but even when he reverses time he failed in saving Lois. So his top speeds don't have any way, shape, or form translating into combat speed.

That doesn't mean Odin helped him. Thor finally proved his worthiness Odin sat there silent unable to do anything. despite Loki's lies and tricks Odin couldn't intervene. Odin foresaw thor would prove himself which he did.

No, the gap isn't huge points at Superman's fights against other k-nians etc. These feats neevr translate ever into combat type strength. Wait until you see the next Superman movie to find out this whole island/mountain type arguing really doesn't prove anything.

I always argue bases off of portrayals and I see Thor winning.

Do you remember Superman the movie at all?

Touche. I was going to add "you could say he just became worthy," but I wasn't going to defeat my own stance.

The next Superman movie will probably be another version of Superman not canon to this.

Superman. Easily. Thor was pretty weak in this movie. Maybe we will see more in a sequel or something, but as it stand right now, Superman is far more powerful.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, that got pulled out.

No he still had a shard stuck in him. The doctors pulled the last piece out after fell back to earth.

Originally posted by Newjak
If we're going by Superman Returns then I think Thor could make a fight of it. The only thing that could be a problem is Superman's lightspeed movement but I don't think it was ever shown for him to be fighting at it.

Thats because he never fought... anyone.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Do you remember Superman the movie at all?

Touche. I was going to add "you could say he just became worthy," but I wasn't going to defeat my own stance.

The next Superman movie will probably be another version of Superman not canon to this.

Odin left the enchantment null and void until he became worthy which he did while Odin was in a coma.

Let's hope they delete that terrible movie superman returns. It was trash.

Originally posted by snyper1982
Superman. Easily. Thor was pretty weak in this movie. Maybe we will see more in a sequel or something, but as it stand right now, Superman is far more powerful.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, why ?

Let's hope they delete that terrible movie superman returns. It was trash.

Because you said that he failed to save Lois even when he reversed time and he did save her when he did it.

Yeah Returns what a disappointment. I am a bit sad that Routh wasn't given a second chance. He was a good Superman IMHO. His Clark wasn't anywhere near Reeves, but Clark's screen time was very limited and the Lois actress just ruined any chemistry they could have had.

BTW how fast do you guys think Superman was flying when he was doing the whole time reverse shit?

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Originally posted by Zack Fair
Because you said that he failed to save Lois even when he reversed time and he did save her when he did it.

Yeah Returns what a disappointment. I am a bit sad that Routh wasn't given a second chance. He was a good Superman IMHO. His Clark wasn't anywhere near Reeves, but Clark's screen time was very limited and the Lois actress just ruined any chemistry they could have had.

BTW how fast do you guys think Superman was flying when he was doing the whole time reverse shit?

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I dunno how fast.

Yeah, whoever came up with the plot of superman returns should be beat up.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Because you said that he failed to save Lois even when he reversed time and he did save her when he did it.

Yeah Returns what a disappointment. I am a bit sad that Routh wasn't given a second chance. He was a good Superman IMHO. His Clark wasn't anywhere near Reeves, but Clark's screen time was very limited and the Lois actress just ruined any chemistry they could have had.

BTW how fast do you guys think Superman was flying when he was doing the whole time reverse shit?

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[b]Edit: God damn youtube durhulk

Lets see if this one works [/B]

I always thought that Superman got fedup, reversed time and then stopped the missles at superspeed the 2nd time. No flood and lois was still alive.

Originally posted by snyper1982
Thats because he never fought... anyone.

And he didn't demonstrate any combat speed at all. Everytime he did something he did it like a normal human being would. The only fast thing he did in the entire movie is fly fast.

As for Thor's foes. People are right they're not quantifiable but they were shown to be formidable and superhuman, and at the end of the fight Odin had to come save them because even Thor couldn't beat all of the Jotuns. We also know Thor >>>> then most of them.

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Getting hit by a jeep is leaps and bounds better than getting your ass kicked at a local diner by a bully. Unlike Superman who without his powers is just a normal man in the movies Thor rocks highly trained agents.

Whether he died or not is inconsequential to powered Thor.

Then take a look at the bully scene where Superman can stand. One bully made him look weak and humiliated him in fair one on one diner combat. 😂

So the normal asgardians aren't super human despite them making a stand against the destroyer. Are you serious ? You think they are portrayed as humans. Wow. LOL.

Thor is a brick as he took damage from ice giants, loki, etc. without even really being hurt. he was amused unlike Superman who was always mano e mano per super threat.

It doesn't matter as his hammer comes to him and his hammer doesn't make him more durable. It's a part of his powers and his strength, etc. all amped compared to his human form when his hammer was taken away. Obviously.

Thor. Hard.

sure, cuz he (as U put it earlier) still had "superior skills", which meant he *wasnt* fighting guys on his level; Supes got snuffed from behind, was likely the 1st fight he'd ever been in his entire life, and apparently he'd never seen his own blood b4. I could let that slide quite frankly.

not really, since a "powered Thor" is just him with the hammer; theres no other difference in this movie.

how is it "fair one on one diner combat" when he got hit in the back of his head right at the start?

ok, so proof of them having SUPERHUMAN str was..............wat?? wat action on-screen showed this??

Thor was touched by a single SG *twice*, and then barely little more by Loki.....so where was his "brickness" seen on-screen?? oh yea, it wasnt. simple fact: his fight was just like a Bruce Lee movie, where he just knocked 98% of his opponents away, rather than a Jackie Chan fight where he actually TAKES HITS FROM MULTIPLE OPPONENTS. I like the movie, but calling him a tank here is not correct.

well, if we're gonna get technical Mjolnir *isnt* a part of his powers, but more his "standard equipment", and there no proof in this film that his STR was decreased when he took it away. ZERO. NONE. its merely an assumption from U that Odin did more than take away his weapon; find some proof and I'll agree.

yes, he would get dropped like that against Supes here.

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