Thor (movie) vs Superman (movie)

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Originally posted by Mindset
Pretty sure Loki had his spirit in the destroyer armor.

Btw, how was Thor hit by the destroyer, it definitely wasn't a direct beam shot.

now, this version is controlled by Odins staff; remember we saw Loki sitting on the throne when Thor offered up his life to stop the D-armor.

and he got backhanded by it.

Tazer

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Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a bitchslap not intended to kill Thor. It was beyond any frost giant or asgardian save Thor from what we know. Thor was that good.

He wasn't powerless and was saved in the hospital because of the medical staff. thor didn't even need a hospital after getting slapped by the destroyer. Advantage Thor.

it *was* intended to kill him since Thor had just offered his life to Loki.

if he hadnt passed the qualification of being worthy, then Thor wouldnt have been saved by recovering Mjolnir, and he died quick enuff that its doubtful any medical treatment couldve resuscitated him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, someone with superhuman strength can hurt Superman with a manhole so logically a magical hammer does that and more so.

Thor recovered on his own is the point.

theres no proof a magic hammer would hurt him more so than a normal 1 if thrown by somebody w/spr-human STR.

not really, he didnt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is they are superhuman threats and like most races on screen you have to turn them into cannon fodder with a few standing out mainly Thor.

The gap isn't huge and Thor being a lot more skilled would more than likely tear Superman apart while sparing his life giving him the Loki treatment. Odin's own weapon against him didn't even seem that fordmiable due to Thor's badassery.

becuz of Mjolnir. give the film version of him a normal weapon, or give another Asgardian Mjolnir and we'd likely see similar results. OR that Thor doesnt come out still looking special.

yea, Thor *still* didnt fight anybody as offensively brickish as movie-S is, so its just unproven wishing to say he would.

also, he fought Loki w/odins weapon, not Odin himself; that makes ALL the difference in performance, as Loki came off as somebody who *isnt used to* going head2head against an opponent, and we saw that in Joutenheim.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

sure, cuz he (as U put it earlier) still had "superior skills", which meant he *wasnt* fighting guys on his level; Supes got snuffed from behind, was likely the 1st fight he'd ever been in his entire life, and apparently he'd never seen his own blood b4. I could let that slide quite frankly.

not really, since a "powered Thor" is just him with the hammer; theres no other difference in this movie.

how is it "fair one on one diner combat" when he got hit in the back of his head right at the start?

ok, so proof of them having SUPERHUMAN str was..............wat?? wat action on-screen showed this??

Thor was touched by a [b]single SG *twice*, and then barely little more by Loki.....so where was his "brickness" seen on-screen?? oh yea, it wasnt. simple fact: his fight was just like a Bruce Lee movie, where he just knocked 98% of his opponents away, rather than a Jackie Chan fight where he actually TAKES HITS FROM MULTIPLE OPPONENTS. I like the movie, but calling him a tank here is not correct.

well, if we're gonna get technical Mjolnir *isnt* a part of his powers, but more his "standard equipment", and there no proof in this film that his STR was decreased when he took it away. ZERO. NONE. its merely an assumption from U that Odin did more than take away his weapon; find some proof and I'll agree.

yes, he would get dropped like that against Supes here.

Tazer [/B]

And that got taken away from him. You want proof, he was unable to break out of those hospital restraints and he got taken down by a taser. All things Thor should have done easily based on his previous displays with his powers.

Originally posted by Tazer

becuz of Mjolnir. give the film version of him a normal weapon, or give another Asgardian Mjolnir and we'd likely see similar results. OR that Thor doesnt come out still looking special.

yea, Thor *still* didnt fight anybody as offensively brickish as movie-S is, so its just unproven wishing to say he would.

also, he fought Loki w/odins weapon, not Odin himself; that makes ALL the difference in performance, as Loki came off as somebody who *isnt used to* going head2head against an opponent, and we saw that in Joutenheim.

Tazer

And Loki was definitely formidable as an opponent. He took down a quite few Frost Giants on his own and held his own against Thor even briefly is still a feat considering how easily Thor waded through people. So the only reason Odin would be more formidable with his weapon is the fact he is personally stronger than Loki based on individual power. Which I would agree on.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Superman, ftw.

In the movie, he was flying around the earth solving crises at "near the speed of light" - and, as CC said, he ripped an entire continent out of the earth that was made of Kryptonite, and flew it into earth's upper atmosphere... While extremely weak.

Supes win this one ...as much as I want to say Thor , but it will be a fight that every guy on this planet would want to see . (and ladies too, but for different reasons)

Originally posted by Tazer
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sure, cuz he (as U put it earlier) still had "superior skills", which meant he *wasnt* fighting guys on his level; Supes got snuffed from behind, was likely the 1st fight he'd ever been in his entire life, and apparently he'd never seen his own blood b4. I could let that slide quite frankly.

not really, since a "powered Thor" is just him with the hammer; theres no other difference in this movie.

how is it "fair one on one diner combat" when he got hit in the back of his head right at the start?

ok, so proof of them having SUPERHUMAN str was..............wat?? wat action on-screen showed this??

Thor was touched by a [b]single SG *twice*, and then barely little more by Loki.....so where was his "brickness" seen on-screen?? oh yea, it wasnt. simple fact: his fight was just like a Bruce Lee movie, where he just knocked 98% of his opponents away, rather than a Jackie Chan fight where he actually TAKES HITS FROM MULTIPLE OPPONENTS. I like the movie, but calling him a tank here is not correct.

well, if we're gonna get technical Mjolnir *isnt* a part of his powers, but more his "standard equipment", and there no proof in this film that his STR was decreased when he took it away. ZERO. NONE. its merely an assumption from U that Odin did more than take away his weapon; find some proof and I'll agree.

yes, he would get dropped like that against Supes here.

Tazer [/B]

It's him with superior strength and what not along with it. You act like if a jeep hits him with his hammer it will ko him. You obviously don't understand Thor at all if you think his durability and strength doesn't go up WITH HIS POWERS.

Odin even says he takes all his power and the hammer gives you the powers of Thor.

Because the point is Superman was portrayed as an average man. Thor was being attacked in multiple directions by skilled agents. Superman needed his powers to take care of this bully. The point was made clear the bully owned a normal Kal el.

Them taking on the destroyer whereas humans were nothing to the destroyer. You can also tell by portrayal but then again you probably think normal humans can take on frost giants.

Thor was hit by multiple giants, hit by Loki with Odin's staff, etc. If you want to claim he has the durability of a human then prove it. The movie made the point to show how weak he was without his powers and how unbeatable he was with them.

Mjolnir has always been Thor's powers. odin flat out states it in the movie he takes away Thor's powers which included the hammer. The hammer grants someone worthy the powers of Thor. You show no knowledge of the character.

Originally posted by Tazer
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it *was* intended to kill him since Thor had just offered his life to Loki.

if he hadnt passed the qualification of being worthy, then Thor wouldnt have been saved by recovering Mjolnir, and he died quick enuff that its doubtful any medical treatment couldve resuscitated him.

theres no proof a magic hammer would hurt him more so than a normal 1 if thrown by somebody w/spr-human STR.

not really, he didnt.

becuz of Mjolnir. give the film version of him a normal weapon, or give another Asgardian Mjolnir and we'd likely see similar results. OR that Thor doesnt come out still looking special.

yea, Thor *still* didnt fight anybody as offensively brickish as movie-S is, so its just unproven wishing to say he would.

also, he fought Loki w/odins weapon, not Odin himself; that makes ALL the difference in performance, as Loki came off as somebody who *isnt used to* going head2head against an opponent, and we saw that in Joutenheim.

Tazer

Thor was saved due to his own powers returning he didn't need any help from anyone else. Advantage Thor.

A manhole has as have other less impressive things in Superman's own movies. Thor's hammer was wrecking shop and he was portrayed as beyond anyone who took him on army or not.

Mjolnir is Thor's weapon. You trying to take away his weapon from the start in comics and the movie is desperate. It's like me saying well if Superman was cut off from the sun he'd be nothing.

Thor fought entire races whereas Superman was outsmarted and beaten up by Luthor and a few henchmen. Superman didn't fight any supernatural threats and when he did he needed to trick them. he didn't beat one of them in combat.

Loki had Odin's spear the same one he used against the frost giants and Thor beat him, saved him, and then beat him again.

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Originally posted by Newjak
Thor definitely had super strength and durability in this movie. He took shots from Loki with Odin's staff straight to the chest and thrown through an Asgardian wall with no ill effects. He got hit by a Frost Giant square in the face and laughed it off. He was able to throw that huge table over like it was a toy. Plus when Mjolnir was spinning so fast and Thor was hitting everyone with it it was Thor who was spinning the hammer not the hammer itself.

And that got taken away from him. You want proof, he was unable to break out of those hospital restraints and he got taken down by a taser. All things Thor should have done easily based on his previous displays with his powers.

he took those shots while WEARING ARMOR, so thats not saying much, and how is him taking a shot to the face by a man-sized SG supposed to say much?? those were the only 2 hits he took in that whole scene, and he literally begged for it to happen.

as for that table he only turned it over in-place, not "throw it like a toy"; to claim it was such is an overexaggeration. as for spinning Mjolnir as fast as he was, that would be more of a feat of STA than STR if we're going to be honest about it........

as for the rest, we simply saw how a Mjolnir & armor-less Thor deals w/his issues.

Originally posted by Newjak
Ok then I think this little part is a weird bit. On one hand you say giving Thor's weapon to another Asgardian and you won't see a difference but you say there is a difference between Loki with Odin's spear vs Odin with Odin's weapon.

And Loki was definitely formidable as an opponent. He took down a quite few Frost Giants on his own and held his own against Thor even briefly is still a feat considering how easily Thor waded through people. So the only reason Odin would be more formidable with his weapon is the fact he is personally stronger than Loki based on individual power. Which I would agree on.

simple: Mjolnir actually has powers embued w/in it, whereas Gungir (which we'll assume that was supposed to be) doesnt actually have *any* inherent abilities beyond always hitting its target when thrown. now granted, it wasnt used like that here, but I dont think Loki is as powerful offensively as Odin was supposed to have been here.

as for him fighting the SGs, he apparently didnt engage *any of them* in physical combat; he tossed bolts & used trickery to drop his targets.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
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he took those shots while WEARING ARMOR, so thats not saying much, and how is him taking a shot to the face by a man-sized SG supposed to say much?? those were the only 2 hits he took in that whole scene, and he literally begged for it to happen.

as for that table he only turned it over in-place, not "throw it like a toy"; to claim it was such is an overexaggeration. as for spinning Mjolnir as fast as he was, that would be more of a feat of STA than STR if we're going to be honest about it........

as for the rest, we simply saw how a Mjolnir & armor-less Thor deals w/his issues.

simple: Mjolnir actually has powers embued w/in it, whereas Gungir (which we'll assume that was supposed to be) doesnt actually have *any* inherent abilities beyond always hitting its target when thrown. now granted, it wasnt used like that here, but I dont think Loki is as powerful offensively as Odin was supposed to have been here.

as for him fighting the SGs, he apparently didnt engage *any of them* in physical combat; he tossed bolts & used trickery to drop his targets.

Tazer

Thor took a punch from those guys to the face without any damage. That there shows what his exposed face can take. A punch from a being that can destroy asgardian metal with a touch.

As for Thor's strength once again that Table was incredibly large, thick, and wide. I can guarantee a man wouldn't have been able to turn it over nor with the ease Thor did. And for the hammer spinning being STA rather STR. Did you see how fast he was spinning that thing and the force he was hitting with it. No human being would have been able to do that.

As for Loki he did go H2H with at least one FG and killed it. And he was able to stalemate Thor in H2H for a brief period doing some crazy stuff like spinning around and kicking Thor on the staff.

And your just assuming that the Hammer had to contain all of Thor's powers when we've already seen a different number of asgardians use abilities without the use of weapons or items. Like I pointed with Odin's staff. We've already seen that all the Asgardians shown doing something were >>> than a normal human being.

To act like Thor was only human without his Hammer is asinine and goes against the whole implied notions of the film.

So I took time to watch the whole missiles/Lois death scenes and lol. Superman was not trying to save Lois. He didn't even know she was in danger because he was too busy saving thousands of lives because of the 2nd missile's impact. He was also exposed to kryptonite before the entire ordeal. The entire scene was orchestrated by Luthor to make Superman choose between the two missiles since he rightly believed that for all of his speed Superman couldn't be in 2 places at the same time. Then everything gets funky when Superman gets pissed and alters time.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
So I took time to watch the whole missiles/Lois death scenes and lol. Superman was not trying to save Lois. He didn't even know she was in danger because he was too busy saving thousands of lives because of the 2nd missile's impact. He was also exposed to kryptonite before the entire ordeal. The entire scene was orchestrated by Luthor to make Superman choose between the two missiles since he rightly believed that for all of his speed Superman couldn't be in 2 places at the same time. Then everything gets funky when Superman gets pissed and alters time.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to let it slip as Thor without his powers is a badass whereas Superman isn't.

It's him with superior strength and what not along with it. You act like if a jeep hits him with his hammer it will ko him. You obviously don't understand Thor at all if you think his durability and strength doesn't go up WITH HIS POWERS.

Odin even says he takes all his power and the hammer gives you the powers of Thor.

Because the point is Superman was portrayed as an average man. Thor was being attacked in multiple directions by skilled agents. Superman needed his powers to take care of this bully. The point was made clear the bully owned a normal Kal el.

Them taking on the destroyer whereas humans were nothing to the destroyer. You can also tell by portrayal but then again you probably think normal humans can take on frost giants.

Thor was hit by multiple giants, hit by Loki with Odin's staff, etc. If you want to claim he has the durability of a human then prove it. The movie made the point to show how weak he was without his powers and how unbeatable he was with them.

Mjolnir has always been Thor's powers. odin flat out states it in the movie he takes away Thor's powers which included the hammer. The hammer grants someone worthy the powers of Thor. You show no knowledge of the character. The incinerator beam was intended for death the bitchslap was intended for humiliation.

when did I ever claim that Supes w/o powers was a badass?

U seem to think that Thor gets a personal boost to his power w/Mjolnir, which is false (comic-wise anyways), and thats not demonstated here either; all we see here is "Thor w/Mjolnir does stuff" and "Thor w/o Mjolnir cant do much". if it were as *U* claim, then we shouldve seen a weaker version of the lightning or him flying, or even deflecting D-armors fire (stuff he did w/Mjolnir).

we saw Odin take Mjolnir while stating "I shall take your power", but there was no effect rendered on Thor when it happened; all that happened was the hammer flew to Odins hand. nothing else physically happened to him beyond him losing the rest of his armor.

Thor was atk'd by multiple agents, but he never faced more than 2 at any given time, and we only saw that happen twice; for the most part of that scene it was 1on1.

no, the point is that version of Supes isnt that much of a fighter, and had prolly *never* felt pain OR seen his own blood like he was in that moment; this Thor is clearly far more used to it.

the Asgardians were nothing to the D-armor either; its not like the thing took a pause when Volstagg came flying towards it. quite the opposite really.

Thor was hit by *1* SG, twice. fact. there were no "multiples".....

the bitchslap did EXACTLY wat it was intended to do: kill Thor. claiming otherwise is false, especially given that Loki watched the whole thing and showed no surprise at how wounded he was after it happened.

so yur basically saying that Thor *isnt* the Norse God of Thunder unless he has Mjolnir?? interesting.......

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor was saved due to his own powers returning he didn't need any help from anyone else. Advantage Thor.

A manhole has as have other less impressive things in Superman's own movies. Thor's hammer was wrecking shop and he was portrayed as beyond anyone who took him on army or not.

Mjolnir is Thor's weapon. You trying to take away his weapon from the start in comics and the movie is desperate. It's like me saying well if Superman was cut off from the sun he'd be nothing.

Thor fought entire races whereas Superman was outsmarted and beaten up by Luthor and a few henchmen. Superman didn't fight any supernatural threats and when he did he needed to trick them. he didn't beat one of them in combat.

Loki had Odin's spear the same one he used against the frost giants and Thor beat him, saved him, and then beat him again.

Thor was saved to due to meeting Odins qualifications & being worth of Mjolnir.

" A manhole has as have other less impressive things in Superman's own movies."...........sorry, but Im not sure wat yur trying to say here.

Thor used other weapons long b4 he was given Mjolnir; its not like he was BORN with it attached to his hand.

plz stop exaggerating: Thor did not fight "the entire race" of SGs, moreover U cannot compare the 1st fight w/the 2nd as it is, and IIRC Supes *beat* Zod but let him go cuz they threatened Lois.

which means WAT exactly? wat are the properties of the spear?? is it more powerful than Mjolnir?? did Loki having that make Loki more powerful??

Tazer

Superman was also caught by surprise when the hoe(sexy I tell ya...if only women like her and Lynda Carter stayed young forever droolio) threw it at him.

I don't know why I bothered in the first place. Debating with Quan gives me headaches and makes me want to shoot every kitten in the world.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman failed the first time hence her death. He brought her back to life then saved her. If he was as fast as you claim she wouldn't have died the first time due to his speed.

I dunno how fast.

Yeah, whoever came up with the plot of superman returns should be beat up.

CIS, Quan. CIS.

Superman can clearly fly at nearlight speeds when pissed. Hell, perhaps he didn't even know he could until Lois died.

Originally posted by Tazer
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when did I ever claim that Supes w/o powers was a badass?

U seem to think that Thor gets a personal boost to his power w/Mjolnir, which is false (comic-wise anyways), and thats not demonstated here either; all we see here is "Thor w/Mjolnir does stuff" and "Thor w/o Mjolnir cant do much". if it were as *U* claim, then we shouldve seen a weaker version of the lightning or him flying, or even deflecting D-armors fire (stuff he did w/Mjolnir).

we saw Odin take Mjolnir while stating "I shall take your power", but there was no effect rendered on Thor when it happened; all that happened was the hammer flew to Odins hand. nothing else physically happened to him beyond him losing the rest of his armor.

Thor was atk'd by multiple agents, but he never faced more than 2 at any given time, and we only saw that happen twice; for the most part of that scene it was 1on1.

no, the point is that version of Supes isnt that much of a fighter, and had prolly *never* felt pain OR seen his own blood like he was in that moment; this Thor is clearly far more used to it.

the Asgardians were nothing to the D-armor either; its not like the thing took a pause when Volstagg came flying towards it. quite the opposite really.

Thor was hit by *1* SG, twice. fact. there were no "multiples".....

the bitchslap did EXACTLY wat it was intended to do: kill Thor. claiming otherwise is false, especially given that Loki watched the whole thing and showed no surprise at how wounded he was after it happened.

so yur basically saying that Thor *isnt* the Norse God of Thunder unless he has Mjolnir?? interesting.......

Thor was saved to due to meeting Odins qualifications & being worth of Mjolnir.

" A manhole has as have other less impressive things in Superman's own movies."...........sorry, but Im not sure wat yur trying to say here.

Thor used other weapons long b4 he was given Mjolnir; its not like he was BORN with it attached to his hand.

plz stop exaggerating: Thor did not fight "the entire race" of SGs, moreover U cannot compare the 1st fight w/the 2nd as it is, and IIRC Supes *beat* Zod but let him go cuz they threatened Lois.

which means WAT exactly? wat are the properties of the spear?? is it more powerful than Mjolnir?? did Loki having that make Loki more powerful??

Tazer

We see the effects when Thor is hit by a car, tasered, etc. I really can't believe you didn't comprehend the entire movie which made it clear with his powers he is capable of damage soak whereas without it he was almost killed by one slap from the destroyer.

The head made it clear Thor made all the agents look like chumps. Fighting like 20 elite trained agents all in the same fight makes Superman without powers not even able to stand in the same room as powerless Thor.

Yes, Superman isn't that much of a fighter he's all his powers whereas Thor is quite skilled without them. All Superman has are his powers.

They weren't almost killed by one slap like Thor was. Thor was obviously weaker and the asgardians had no chance against the destroyer but Thor beat it easily. Thor was the biggest badass in that movie by far save comatose Odin.

I don't think Thor was dead per say more like clinging to life and dying. Thor survived that massive slap showing he has the will to survive and win.

He is the norse god of thunder but his main weapon is his hammer. It's a part of his powerset for marvel and always has been.

Thor manned up and was saved due to his own actions.

The manhole hurt and affected Superman so thor's hammer obviously does far more damage considering what it did in the movie.

But ever since we have seen Thor in the comics and what not he's had his hammer as in the movie. You trying to take away his hammer is enjoyable to watch.

Superman never beat Zod he might have had the upper hand but he never really beat any of the other knians until he depowered them. It shows even in his own movie he's equal to his threats and had to outsmart them whereas Thor easily dominates them.

Odin used the spear to dominate the frost giants and it's obviously a great weapon if Odin wields it and has used it. Even despite this Thor stomped Loki he didn't need to trick him into a chamber to depower him like Superman had to.

Superman didn't even beat Luthor directly in his movie he just averted the threat. Luthor beat the crap out of him.

So trying to forget everything I've learned from comics and just basing it on this movie alone, here is what we can conclude:

1. Strength

Superman is shown slowing down a crashing plane and lifting a whole island. Greatest strength feat of Thor is turning over a heavy oak long table which no human could handle with ease.

Advantage: Superman by a wide margin

2. Speed

Superman is shown using his superspeed. Thor is shown to fly really fast and is barely hit during his fights.

Advantage: Superman

3. Fighting prowess.

Superman never really gets to fight hand to hand, the only real fight he had was with a thug while a kryptonite was embedded in him... and he didn't particularly do well. Thor cleaved his way through all of his enemies, with or without his powers, taking on more than one opponent at a time. He defeated some of the most highly trained professionals even while he was completely human.

Advantage: Thor by a wide margin.

4. Invulnerability

Superman got shot in the eye without flinching. Totally hardcore. Thor got zapped by Odin's spear, which although hurt him, didn't really do that much damage. But this is the same spear Loki used to incinerate Laufey, so still pretty decent showing.

Advantage: Superman, but only by a very small margin.

5. Destructive output

We don't really see much of Superman's destructive capability, since he's mostly shown to be saving people. On the other hand, there's this scene where Thor calls down his lightning (a single bolt mind you) and decimates the entire area (and surrounding) area of the frost giants.

Advantage: Thor

Conclusion:

If it was a strong man competition, then Superman wins. If it was a race, superman wins. If it's a fight, Thor wins.

Honestly, that's the fairest assumption you could derive from the movies without resorting to comic book knowledge.

You can get a bit technical and say that Superman is too fast for Thor to hit, but then Thor can just call down his lightning to zap supes like it did Loki....

Now it wasn't stated how fast superman can move in the movie, but I do know that lightning travels at around 5 times the speed of sound... and superman didn't seem to be moving that fast.

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Originally posted by Newjak
The SG were still formidable. They were still superhuman and not only that we had already seen that their touch could basically damage Volstagg and had already broke Loki's armor.

Thor took a punch from those guys to the face without any damage. That there shows what his exposed face can take. A punch from a being that can destroy asgardian metal with a touch.

As for Thor's strength once again that Table was incredibly large, thick, and wide. I can guarantee a man wouldn't have been able to turn it over nor with the ease Thor did. And for the hammer spinning being STA rather STR. Did you see how fast he was spinning that thing and the force he was hitting with it. No human being would have been able to do that.

As for Loki he did go H2H with at least one FG and killed it. And he was able to stalemate Thor in H2H for a brief period doing some crazy stuff like spinning around and kicking Thor on the staff.

And your just assuming that the Hammer had to contain all of Thor's powers when we've already seen a different number of asgardians use abilities without the use of weapons or items. Like I pointed with Odin's staff. We've already seen that all the Asgardians shown doing something were >>> than a normal human being.

To act like Thor was only human without his Hammer is asinine and goes against the whole implied notions of the film.

not trying to take that away from them at all, but neither were they the 10-story tall behemoths I was looking forward to seeing get beaten on by Thor, Sif & TW3.

yes, a single punch. theres PLENTY of movies where guys take a single punch and their faces *werent* dmg'd by it; Doc Ock from Spiderman 2 comes to mind..........

if U ever get the chance to watch it again U'll see that that table didnt do move as if it were upturned by a man who's supposed to be as strong as Thor *is* supposed to be.

I dont remember Loki doing anything like that; IIRC, the closest SG he ever had b4 killing'em was his father in Odins bedroom.

ok, so plz list me the abilities we saw the others do, just for arguments sake.

Tazer

Why are we using the table scene as a showing of low strength or super strength?

Are we assuming his godly self is around the same strength as his powerless self?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why are we using the table scene as a showing of low strength or super strength?

Are we assuming his godly self is around the same strength as his powerless self?

Originally posted by Tazer
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not trying to take that away from them at all, but neither were they the 10-story tall behemoths I was looking forward to seeing get beaten on by Thor, Sif & TW3.

yes, a single punch. theres PLENTY of movies where guys take a single punch and their faces *werent* dmg'd by it; Doc Ock from Spiderman 2 comes to mind..........

if U ever get the chance to watch it again U'll see that that table didnt do move as if it were upturned by a man who's supposed to be as strong as Thor *is* supposed to be.

I dont remember Loki doing anything like that; IIRC, the closest SG he ever had b4 killing'em was his father in Odins bedroom.

ok, so plz list me the abilities we saw the others do, just for arguments sake.

Tazer

And I've seen it twice it may not have been him hurling it through the wall but it clearly shows he is not human level strength which I think was the intention there.

And Loki did get into H2H with a FG. It happened when he was fighting on and it grabbed his arm and his armor begin to freeze off in pieces. He killed him by what looks like a magical stab.

As for what the oother do.

We see Fandral and Hogun launch Volstagg. That is something no normal human beings could do.

We see Volstagg take a punch from the Destroyer and only get knocked into a car but is other wise doing better than Thor did after taking one hit.

Heimdall can see through the Nine Worlds.

Odin at the end was holding both Loki and Thor up with one hand.

Odin was able to lift a FG over his head and throw it.

Heimdall was able to throw a FG over his head.

We see Loki throw magic bolts of energy.

I think the point was made very clear that physically and in other ways Asgardians are not just like normal humans.