The dependency on Mjolnir in the movie was crazy imo. I have no idea where Thor started and it ended. After this, people will probably believe his power all comes from the hammer. Just watch.
Hope Fraction doesn't take this turn with the comics or some other writer who hasn't done his research. I f*cking hate him tbh. ahuh
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The misconception of Thor being hammer dependent is surely a part of why he isn't as popular as he could be.Makes it look like a crutch, needing a special weapon to fight other powerful rivals who have none.
I wouldn't be surprised.
He should go like a year without Mjolnir. The problem is that it's very synonymous with the character.
Originally posted by Silent Master
And yet the bus didn't move very fast....as opposed to the tank that the Hulk threw in his movie, that one moved far faster and went further.
Are you really comparing special effects from the late 70s to nowadays CGI extravaganza?
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As for Thor depending on MJOLNIR ...I think he should be shown to be more skilled in hand to hand combat without using it as crutch. An occasional thunder strike without MJOLNIR wouldn't hurt either.
Originally posted by Zack FairPlease don't tell me you're insinuating the bus was thrown super fast at Superman hence his struggle with it.
Buses thrown by 2 kryptonians might I add.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat does stopping an earthquake have to do with how these two would fare against each other.
Superman could also stop an earthquake powerful enough to sink California. Movie Thor didn't seem anywhere near Supes with regards to strength and speed. Mjlonir was beastly though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Please don't tell me you're insinuating the bus was thrown super fast at Superman hence his struggle with it.
Um no? You made it sound like Superman had trouble with the bus by itself and didn't even mention 2 kryptonians threw it at him. Superman was also trying to save the people inside of the bus. What would have happened to them had he just decided to stand there and take it? They would have probably died by the feedback resulting from it. Also Superman was pulling the whole "Oh I'm so hurt, weak and coward I am going to run to my fortress but please do not follow me" stunt. What can I say Superman could be a good wrestler, selling thrown buses like that; The Rock got nothing on Big Blue. Lets not forget the fact the movie is old as **** and effects weren't up to par by today standards.
Originally posted by Zack FairYou're trying to take a few feats to overshadow how he was consistently portrayed on screen. Manholes hurt him when thrown by someone with super strength. He wasn't close to as powerful as he is in the comics and Thor's hammer would hurt him oh so badly if a coke advertisement and bus gave him pause.
Um no? You made it sound like Superman had trouble with the bus by itself and didn't even mention 2 kryptonians threw it at him. Superman was also trying to save the people inside of the bus. What would have happened to them had he just decided to stand there and take it? They would have probably died by the feedback resulting from it. Also Superman was pulling the whole "Oh I'm so hurt, weak and coward I am going to run to my fortress but please do not follow me" stunt. What can I say Superman could be a good wrestler, selling thrown buses like that; The Rock got nothing on Big Blue. Lets not forget the fact the movie is old as **** and effects weren't up to par by today standards.
Thor toyed with his opposition unlike Superman.
What did Superman do in superman returns then that proves he can break Thor ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're trying to take a few feats to overshadow how he was consistently portrayed on screen. Manholes hurt him when thrown by someone with super strength. He wasn't close to as powerful as he is in the comics and Thor's hammer would hurt him oh so badly if a coke advertisement and bus gave him pause.Thor toyed with his opposition unlike Superman.
Thor never fought anyone at Zod's level...
What did Superman do in superman returns then that proves he can break Thor ?
Lift an island that was partly composed of Kryptonite...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The dependency on Mjolnir in the movie was crazy imo. I have no idea where Thor started and it ended. After this, people will probably believe his power all comes from the hammer. Just watch.Hope Fraction doesn't take this turn with the comics or some other writer who hasn't done his research. I f*cking hate him tbh. ahuh
Dependency....
Like in the original stories when he was banished to earth and turned into Donald Blake sound familiar to you? The movie is more akin to the original story origins... As a true Thor fan I'd think u of all people would see the similarities...
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're trying to take a few feats to overshadow how he was consistently portrayed on screen. Manholes hurt him when thrown by someone with super strength. He wasn't close to as powerful as he is in the comics and Thor's hammer would hurt him oh so badly if a coke advertisement and bus gave him pause.Thor toyed with his opposition unlike Superman.
What did Superman do in superman returns then that proves he can break Thor ?
What? He was portrayed exactly like PC Supes was. Having insane high end feats and then ridiculously low end embarassments. If rewinding time by flying really really fast across the Earth doesn't scream PC Supes I don't know what will.
Also what coke sign? The only one standing near any sign was Zod when Supes redirected the heat vision at him using the mirror(ROFL). By the way I think it is silly to think the bus and "coke" sign as you put it were the cause behind Supes "pause" when he is fighting 3 kryptonians at the same time by his lonesome. Oh wait I remember Zod being thrown at the coke sign...too bad it wasn't Superman.
Thor's hammer will do his thing but I don't think it will put Supes down unless Thor manages to drop it on Kal-El.
Originally posted by ares834Since when have you proven this level is beyond Thor's.
🙄 I wonder, could he be near Superman's level?It means if he hit's Thor, he will "break" him.
He didn't break Zod, I mean hell even luthor an dhis boys beat the snot out of superman whereas Thor in human form was pwning shield agents like nothing.
Originally posted by Zack FairThor easily broke the destroyer armor with his powers. It wasn't even much of a battle. Superman didn't really break anyone in combat or was portrayed as beyond any of his foes from what I recall while Thor was having the time of his life taking on supernatural foe after supernatural foe tying with them.
What? He was portrayed exactly like PC Supes was. Having insane high end feats and then ridiculously low end embarassments. If rewinding time by flying really really fast across the Earth doesn't scream PC Supes I don't know what will.Also what coke sign? The only one standing near any sign was Zod when Supes redirected the heat vision at him using the mirror(ROFL). By the way I think it is silly to think the bus and "coke" sign as you put it were the cause behind Supes "pause" when he is fighting 3 kryptonians at the same time by his lonesome. Oh wait I remember Zod being thrown at the coke sign...too bad it wasn't Superman.
Thor's hammer will do his thing but I don't think it will put Supes down unless Thor manages to drop it on Kal-El.
Point is if these things can damage Superman so can Thor's hammer and a lot more so especially considering how easily it was wrecking anyone who got in his way.
The Destroyer Armor was nothing like the comic book counterpart. Superman was fighting 3 beings with his exact same powers and held his own quite well until the bus incident which made him realize how he was endangering civilians and thus he left to the fortress. Far more impressive than fighting a slow tank shooting energy beams.
Point is I didn't see a single blood shed or any real damage on Superman.
You are just trying to lowball Supes while putting Thor on a pedestal.
Originally posted by Zack FairNo, I am going off of their portrayals in the movie. Thor was >>>army of frost giants, destroyer, Loki with Odin's gungir, pretty much anyone who got in his way was easily beaten unlike Superman.
The Destroyer Armor was nothing like the comic book counterpart. Superman was fighting 3 beings with his exact same powers and held his own quite well until the bus incident which made him realize how he was endangering civilians and thus he left to the fortress. Far more impressive than fighting a slow tank shooting energy beams.Point is I didn't see a single blood shed or any real damage on Superman.
You are just trying to lowball Supes while putting Thor on a pedestal.
The other asgardians were useless as were the frost giants up against the destroyer. Thor is that good whereas Superman wasn't portrayed as simply beyond his foes.
Thor would encourage Superman to try his best and still beat him down.
I will say this like I said before if this is Superman with all of his movie appearances he wins cause at the end of the day we need to see more from Thor. Not saying Thor couldn't compete but Superman did reverse the world which seems a bit out of reach for movie Thor right now and is the only feat shown by Superman out of Thor's league right now.
If we're just using Superman Returns Superman it is a close fight imo cause I don't see anything that Superman did that Thor probably couldn't have done to some extent or in some way but I would probably still pick Superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am going off of their portrayals in the movie. Thor was >>>army of frost giants, destroyer, Loki with Odin's gungir, pretty much anyone who got in his way was easily beaten unlike Superman.
An army of frost giants that did what exactly? Showed what durability? What did Destroyer do that Superman couldn't do with his heat vision? Again...what did Gungir do? Looks to me like you're taking them at face/name value and simply assume they were as powerful as their comic book counterparts. By the way I never made the claim movie Superman was PC Supes; that was someone else. Although I understand where he is coming from. Movie Supes has feats that mirror his comics counterpart. No one Thor fought was proven to be anywhere near Superman's level IMHO.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The other asgardians were useless as were the frost giants up against the destroyer. Thor is that good whereas Superman wasn't portrayed as simply beyond his foes.
Ain't they always useless? Thor is the pinnacle of asgardian physiology. The warriors 3 and Sif seemed to be taken straight out of LOTR. Superman's foes were pretty much equal to him. And he took on all of them. Far more impressive to hold your ground against enemies as formidable and powerful as you are than simply streamrolling through everything specially when they come off as unimpressive. Had the destroyer armor nuked a town and had Thor taken such hit head on then a case could be made; had the Destroyer done anything but blast shit left and right hell even a pimpslap from the destroyer didn't kill powerless thor right away.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor would encourage Superman to try his best and still beat him down.
durthor
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Would love to see them fight though 131
A one hour 1on1 between them. Like a PPV match
Originally posted by Zack FairThe frost giants were super human as they were portrayed as taking on the asgardian army and Odin with the casket of winter. Who has Superman destroyed with his hv again ? What happened to Superman against the super computer again ? He was momentarily overwhelmed.
An army of frost giants that did what exactly? Showed what durability? What did Destroyer do that Superman couldn't do with his heat vision? Again...what did Gungir do? Looks to me like you're taking them at face/name value and simply assume they were as powerful as their comic book counterparts. By the way I never made the claim movie Superman was PC Supes; that was someone else. Although I understand where he is coming from. Movie Supes has feats that mirror his comics counterpart. No one Thor fought was proven to be anywhere near Superman's level IMHO.Ain't they always useless? Thor is the pinnacle of asgardian physiology. The warriors 3 and Sif seemed to be taken straight of LOTR. Superman's foes were pretty much equal to him. And he took on all of them. Far more impressive to hold your ground against enemies as formidable and powerful as you are than simply streamrolling through everything specially when they come off as unimpressive. Had the destroyer armor nuked a town and had Thor taken such hit head on then a case could be made, but as it stands it looks to me like you are assuming a no limits fallacy stance.
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Superman never fought anyone at Thor's level because based off of portrayal he was simply above races of superhuman beings, Loki with gungir, and the Destroyer.
Superman tricked all of them and was unable to beat any of them. That's not the same as easily destroying your foes like Thor did while at the same time trying to save Loki's life time after time. Superman tricking them into becoming mortal men isn't physically beating anyone it's outsmarting them. LOL.
Destroyer armor was portrayed and showed he was above everyone he encountered save Thor. His abilities made the destroyer beatable but direct physical assault did very little to the destroyer based off of it's ability to reconstruct itself.