As pertains combat, is Cloak the most formidable opponent in the Meta Tier?

While facing only opponents in the Meta Tier and below, is there anyone there can defeat most of the characters here as easily as Cloak?

Stealth+BFR to the Dark Dimension; it seems he could beat almost everyone in the Meta Tier and below with this strategy (he would have to be patient and wait for the right moment with some of them though)...

So, who in the in the Meta Tier and below, can defeat such a wide array of opponents as easily as this without prep being a factor?

might want to try explaining that logic to Carnage

EDIT: no, any character with even reasonable mobility should be able to avoid the BFR

You think Carnage can take out other Meta's with the same ease that Cloak could?

Most opponents wouldnt even be able to fight back against Cloak...let alone have a chance of victory.

I think Cloak could take out Carnage every single time with this very tactic...

How could they avoid the BFR if he uses stealth to sneak up on them?

He could just materialize right behind them and swallow them up; hell in the right situation, he could materialize right infront of them and its all over...

Blink

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I think Cloak could take out Carnage every single time with this very tactic...

you haven't read Maximum Carnage have you?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
How could they avoid the BFR if he uses stealth to sneak up on them?

He could just materialize right behind them and swallow them up; hell in the right situation, he could materialize right infront of them and its all over...

Cloaks TP isn't instantaneous, and people have escaped it fairly easily in the past.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Blink

CIS off, great choice

A CISless Spot would also be a horrifiyng opponent.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Blink

616 no...
Aoa and exiles blink... Omfg

Originally posted by Parmaniac
A CISless Spot would also be a horrifiyng opponent.

very true

not to say Cloak wouldn't also be terrible.

Actually, anyone with quick TP like that, especially CIS off, Nightcrawler too

Originally posted by rotiart
616 no...
Aoa and exiles blink... Omfg

I was actually thinking about the one from Necronosha....

No, I havent read Maximum Carnage; have they fought in that comic before?

And while its true that people have escaped being BFR'ed, I would think that he'd catch an opponent "slippin" eventually and BFR him/her/it...

Blink is a very good choice, but she doesnt have stealth ability as does Cloak, nor does she have the inherent durability that he does...if she makes one mistake, most opponents can kill her...Cloak couldnt be defeated as easily.

Originally posted by rotiart
616 no...
Aoa and exiles blink... Omfg

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No, I havent read Maximum Carnage; have they fought in that comic before?

I only have physical copies of the issues, so I'm getting some scans as we speak, hopefully soon... lol

but yes, Cloak tried essentially this move on Carnage, and got wtf pwnd.

actually, even with all the TPers we have mentioned, a CISless blink, imho, still doesn't take a full 10/10 against Carnage...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Blink is a very good choice, but she doesnt have stealth ability as does Cloak, nor does she have the inherent durability that he does...if she makes one mistake, most opponents can kill her...Cloak couldnt be defeated as easily.

Blink vs Holocaust:

Originally posted by inimalist
He is fast enough to keep up with Blink for some time [Astonishing X-Men 4]:

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Cloak would be destroyed by Holocaust

CIS is definitely off here; I should have stated that in the OP...

Originally posted by inimalist
actually, even with all the TPers we have mentioned, a CISless blink, imho, still doesn't take a full 10/10 against Carnage...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Why? She can directly teleport him into the sun.

she could

idk, I just don't see her taking a full ten. a solid majority for sure, but carnage could carve anyone mentioned here into shreds in seconds

imho, they could, but would have to fight flawlessly to avoid being ribbons.

See thats the problem I have with even a CIS'less Blink; she has no room for error...she cant take hits...she can be killed easily.

One blow from Carnage or almost any other Meta that lands flush kills her outright; again, Cloak doesnt have this problem and Cloak has the additional advantage of possessing actual stealth ability...

And yeah, Carnage might be able to beat Cloak, but can a CIS'less Carnage beat other Meta's as easily as a CIS'less Cloak can? That is the question this thread asks...and I honestly think the anwer is no.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And yeah, Carnage might be able to beat Cloak, but can a CIS'less Carnage beat other Meta's as easily as a CIS'less Cloak can? That is the question this thread asks...and I honestly think the anwer is no.

I used Carnage as an example of why Cloak might not be as able to defeat opponents as easily as you think

What are some of Cloak's better stealth feats?

I havent read a comic with Cloak in it in quite some time, but off the top of my head he used stealth to sneak up on Thanos and BFR'ed him to the Dark Dimension...

stealth, cant cloak become intangible? he doesnt need stealth