LOL... oh man, you guys are going to hate these scans then
at least at the time of MC, cloak could no go intangible. Sneaking up on Thanos is a good feat, but if we are going to start calling stuff PIS, I might start there
through the entirety of MC cloak is unable to send any of the villains to the dark dimension, despite trying several times. and, my bad, it is Shriek, not Carnage, who wtf pwns Cloak
Ah...
Well if Cloak was unable to send anyone to the Dark Dimension, then he had something going on with him that depowered him...
And under those circumstances, I can see Skriek (or Carnage) beating him; but beating a Cloak that cant BFR you isnt the same as facing the Cloak in this thread (which has full access to all his powers) now is it?
So, lets start with the children in the Carnage Family:
Carrion slips right through, though, he has some degree of intangibility, so that is understandable [Web of Spider-Man 103]:
Demogoblin appears to fall right through Cloak's cloak here, certainly not contained within it [Spider-Man 36]:
Doppelganger moves around too much for Cloak to contain [Web of Spider-Man 102]:
The Papa of the family, Carnage, escapes with no problem. Oh look, Cloak is behind him too!!!!! So, sneaking up on Carnage, as per on panel showings, is not going to give Cloak a win [Spider-Man 35]:
And finally, Mama Shriek escapes with ease [Web of Spider-Man 101]:
Oh, and ya, wtfpwns Cloak [Spectacular Spider-Man 202]:
though, I suppose you can make up whatever you want to hand wave this away....
Bah...
He let Shriek go; with CIS off, he could keep her there forever and there isnt a dam thing she could do to stop it...
Carnage never actually got BFR'ed; to appears to use webbing to escape before being consumed...
And that other guy was intangible, so he wasnt BFR'ed...
With CIS off, after a failed attempt to BFR an opponent, whats to stop him from starting over...using stealth to get the advantage, and then attempting to BFR his opponent? He can repeat this again and again until he gets them...
Whats there to stop this?
In a comic (obviously with CIS on) he doesnt do this, but with CIS off, he dam well could and would until he's got you...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
With CIS off, after a failed attempt to BFR an opponent, whats to stop him from starting over...using stealth to get the advantage, and then attempting to BFR his opponent? He can repeat this again and again until he gets them...Whats there to stop this?
nothing
it certainly isn't the guaranteed win you make it out to be though, as many characters can get around it, and Cloak isn't invulnerable
EDIT: you do realize I said earlier that Cloak would be incredibly effective at this, up there with Blink, Spot and Nightcrawler, ya? My point is that he isn't going to just BFR everyone because he has some unavoidable attack...
and no, I don't think he would be as effective as Blink
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He let Shriek go; with CIS off, he could keep her there forever and there isnt a dam thing she could do to stop it...
in the second of the two Shriek scans, yes. In the former, she escapes
the one where she fights him, ya, you are right, but I wasn't using those as proof shriek could escape
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Carnage never actually got BFR'ed; to appears to use webbing to escape before being consumed...
exactly my point
He isnt invulnerable, but if he materializes only to attempt to BFR you (which would be in a situation where he has the advantage; he wouldnt materialize otherwise) and goes back into stealth mode if he fails, then his opponents dont have much of a window to get hits in...
And he is durable enough not to be one shotted by most of, if not all of, the characters in the Meta Tier...
And yes, it wont always be easy to defeat his opponents with this tactic; the ones with intangibility or super reflexes/speed have a much better chance than those who do not...
But we go back to the question in the OP, who else could beat the other characters in the Meta Tier and below with less effort than Cloak could?
Most characters in the Meta Tier and Below do not have super speed/reflexes and intangibility; those characters would be in trouble against Cloak...and sans CIS...would be defeated pretty easily.
These same characters likely would give someone like Carnage more trouble than they would Cloak...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He isnt invulnerable, but if he materializes only to attempt to BFR you (which would be in a situation where he has the advantage; he wouldnt materialize otherwise) and goes back into stealth mode if he fails, then his opponents dont have much of a window to get hits in...And he is durable enough not to be one shotted by most of, if not all of, the characters in the Meta Tier...
And yes, it wont always be easy to defeat his opponents with this tactic; the ones with intangibility or super reflexes/speed have a much better chance than those who do not...
But we go back to the question in the OP, who else could beat the other characters in the Meta Tier and below with less effort than Cloak could?
Most characters in the Meta Tier and Below do not have super speed/reflexes and intangibility; those characters would be in trouble against Cloak...and sans CIS...would be defeated pretty easily.
These same characters likely would give someone like Carnage more trouble than they would Cloak...
Blink would give Carnage more trouble than Cloak
Blink would beak Cloak
also, cloak doesn't have "invisibility"... he is able to pop in and out by traveling through the Dark Dimension. If he just "went stealth", he would be BFRing himself
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
he suck up (made him selve enormous) every single hero fighting eachother in side the registration side base and teleported them on to a random street in new york city.There nothing they could do to stop him from doing it.
though, the scans I posted showed people escaping from him
seems like we have an impasse
