As pertains combat, is Cloak the most formidable opponent in the Meta Tier?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Your scans also featured characters with abilities that allowed them to escape being consumed; most characters (even some Herald Levelers) cant escape Cloak so easily...

yes, this is true...

Spider-Man and characters with enhanced mobility, as I outlined in my first post of this thread, should be able to avoid the BFR

Man-Thing, not so much

hmmm, looking at comicvine you might be right about some of Cloaks powers... whether they changed them since the MC saga or if the writers just didn't include them... interesting

Unless his powers were beaten sodomized by the nerf bat recently, those Spiderman scans are PURE 100% unfiltered PIS.

Originally posted by zopzop

Unless his powers were beaten sodomized by the nerf bat recently, those Spiderman scans are PURE 100% unfiltered PIS.

I'm sorry, what is that supposed to show?

that those SM scans were pis, which they were

?

there is nothing in there that suggests that one can't escape from Cloak...

Blink was already said.

Ambrose Chase, Invisible Woman and Multiple Man are all contenders as well.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm sorry, what is that supposed to show?

Since reading and reading comprehension is hard, it supposed to show his "classic" powerset. He's been able to engulf entire warehouses in an impenetrable darkness, he's opened portals to the Dark Dimension large enough to swallow an entire subway train, he's completely intangible unless through an act of will he assumes corporeal form, living things transported to the Dark Dimension who aren't protected mystically somehow are drained of their life force and if left there long enough they die. You can't just "struggle" your way out of his "cloak" if he envelopes you, you are literally teleported into the Dark Dimension and unless you have some way of escaping like opening up your own portals or teleporting interdimensionally you are basically fu..ed.

So unless he was nerfed, those Spiderman scans are PIS.

Originally posted by zopzop
Since reading and reading comprehension is hard, it supposed to show his "classic" powerset. He's been able to engulf entire warehouses in an impenetrable darkness, he's opened portals to the Dark Dimension large enough to swallow an entire subway train, he's completely intangible unless through an act of will he assumes corporeal form, living things transported to the Dark Dimension who aren't protected mystically somehow are drained of their life force and if left there long enough they die. You can't just "struggle" your way out of his "cloak" if he envelopes you, you are literally teleported into the Dark Dimension and unless you have some way of escaping like opening up your own portals or teleporting interdimensionally you are basically fu..ed.

So unless he was nerfed, those Spiderman scans are PIS.

can you provide scans to show this? apart from the fact that he made a 4000 sq ft cloak, or absorbed a subway train, none of what you say is substantiated by the handbook

Originally posted by zopzop
Since reading and reading comprehension is hard, it supposed to show his "classic" powerset. He's been able to engulf entire warehouses in an impenetrable darkness, he's opened portals to the Dark Dimension large enough to swallow an entire subway train, he's completely intangible unless through an act of will he assumes corporeal form, living things transported to the Dark Dimension who aren't protected mystically somehow are drained of their life force and if left there long enough they die. You can't just "struggle" your way out of his "cloak" if he envelopes you, you are literally teleported into the Dark Dimension and unless you have some way of escaping like opening up your own portals or teleporting interdimensionally you are basically fu..ed.

So unless he was nerfed, those Spiderman scans are PIS.

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Originally posted by inimalist
can you provide scans to show this? apart from the fact that he made a 4000 sq ft cloak, or absorbed a subway train, none of what you say is substantiated by the [b]handbook [/B]

The Handbook doesn't state that you are transported into ANOTHER DIMENSION called the Dark Dimension? The Handbook doesn't state that living things are drained of their life force and if left there long enough will die? What doesn't it state.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Handbook doesn't state that you are transported into ANOTHER DIMENSION called the Dark Dimension? The Handbook doesn't state that living things are drained of their life force and if left there long enough will die? What doesn't it state.

ok, you are right, I meant to say that nothing you posted suggests that someone couldn't escape from being drawn into Cloak

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, you are right, I meant to say that nothing you posted suggests that someone couldn't escape from being drawn into Cloak

Of course they can escape if they can teleport between dimensions. If they are fast enough they can avoid being enveloped by him, but once inside, you are screwed unless you can tp between realms.

Originally posted by zopzop
Of course they can escape if they can teleport between dimensions. If they are fast enough they can avoid being enveloped by him, but once inside, you are screwed unless you can tp between realms.

thats been my point the entire time...

that it isn't impossible to escape...

that it isn't just a "win" button...

Originally posted by inimalist
thats been my point the entire time...

that it isn't impossible to escape...

that it isn't just a "win" button...

true, but its nigh impossible to avoid as per seen in civil war which is a very good depiction of what he's capable of doing...since none of those heroes or villians could do jack about it

Originally posted by Sin I AM
true, but its nigh impossible to avoid as per seen in civil war which is a very good depiction of what he's capable of doing...since none of those heroes or villians could do jack about it

can you posts scans of any other scene that suggests it is "nigh impossible"

if you want, we can talk about the Civil War feat, where he surprises a group of people who weren't expecting it, vs a forum fight, where such teleporting is included in common knowledge of your opponent

not to mention, all the people cloak was porting were busy fighting other people, likely making it much harder to get away

EDIT: also, if you want to talk about what is plot induced... a series of fights ranging over a number of issues in a series or a single instance at the end of an event that was necessary to move the plot forward... which one sounds like PIS to you?

Originally posted by inimalist
can you posts scans of any other scene that suggests it is "nigh impossible"

if you want, we can talk about the Civil War feat, where he surprises a group of people who weren't expecting it, vs a forum fight, where such teleporting is included in common knowledge of your opponent

not to mention, all the people cloak was porting were busy fighting other people, likely making it much harder to get away

EDIT: also, if you want to talk about what is plot induced... a series of fights ranging over a number of issues in a series or a single instance at the end of an event that was necessary to move the plot forward... which one sounds like PIS to you?

What's stopping Cloak from enveloping a huge swath of the battlefield in absolute darkness, then sneaking up (he's intangible hence no sound or smell) behind the opponent and tping him inside the Dark Dimension. Unless they can tp out somehow they are now fugged. Fight over.

Actually, maybe I'd argue that Psylocke fits this thread best.

Originally posted by zopzop
What's stopping Cloak from enveloping a huge swath of the battlefield in absolute darkness, then sneaking up (he's intangible hence no sound or smell) behind the opponent and tping him inside the Dark Dimension. Unless they can tp out somehow they are now fugged. Fight over.

well ya, on the first page Parmaniac and I are talking about how TPers would be very effective in fighting the meta tier

the only other way would be high mobility, or precognition. So, like, spiderman could probably do it, or the symbiotes, quicksilver, etc.

I'm not trying to take anything away from cloak, I just don't think his cloak enveloping trick would be as effective as Blink...

I think thats all I've really tried to argue

Originally posted by Existere
Actually, maybe I'd argue that Psylocke fits this thread best.

I was actually thinking about that earlier too

Originally posted by inimalist
I was actually thinking about that earlier too