Originally posted by krisblaze
He grabbed his helmet, there's nothing Juggernaut can do when he's spinning like that. He can't fly and his arms are only as long as they are, regardless of his strength...
Hulk got angry and overpowered Juggy, breaking his hold.
Originally posted by abhilegendSo you decided to show a panel where Cain got temporarily overtaken but was ready to get up and keep fighting as evidence that Hulk is definitely stronger.
When has Juggy beaten Hulk in the past? Hulk overpowered Juggy in their very first meeting.
It could refer to the time he completely beat him unconscious in the Jungle.
Or it could refer to some off screen incident.
But the point was WWH said Cain beat him in the past. And WWH was obviously not able to overpower Cain otherwise he would have.
Like I said Classic Juggernaut was a walking Plot Device that was strong as he needed to be to fight whoever he was fighting. He also had a habit of gaining temp powers we never see again.
Originally posted by Newjak
So you decided to show a panel where Cain got temporarily overtaken but was ready to get up and keep fighting as evidence that Hulk is definitely stronger.It could refer to the time he completely beat him unconscious in the Jungle.
Or it could refer to some off screen incident.
But the point was WWH said Cain beat him in the past. And WWH was obviously not able to overpower Cain otherwise he would have.
Like I said Classic Juggernaut was a walking Plot Device that was strong as he needed to be to fight whoever he was fighting. He also had a habit of gaining temp powers we never see again.
"I'm easily Thor's equal in strength."
Due to Hulk not knowing he was Juggy and holding back entire time? Because in the very next issue Hulk brought Juggernaut to his knees in two punches.
Hulk not being able to stop Cain has nothing to do with the fact that Hulk has definitely overpowered him in the past.
Hulk is the poster boy for being as strong as he wants to be, its his sctick. If you want to go that route, you'll lose.
Originally posted by Newjak
Hulk got angry/stronger and caught Cain by surprise.There is nothing there showing Hulk was too strong for Cain at that point.
Yeah, Juggernaut was also tossing Hulk around pretty easily, it went both ways. Juggernaut actually thought he was stronger than Hulk during the fight, and stated that the Hulk's attacks were getting weaker, but that was just his opinion of course.
As far as strength levels go, it's quite interesting looking back at the ratings in the original Official Handbooks of the Marvel Universe:
In excess of 100: Champion, Hulk (enraged)
100: Hercules, Abomination
95: Thor, Wonder Man, Ulik
90: Zeus, Hyperion, Hulk (base)
85: Thing
75: Namor (water), Orka, Terrax
70: Colossus, Sasquatch, Tiger-Shark, Pluto
60: Odin (regular), Dragon Man, Thundra
50: She-Hulk, Blastaar, Firelord
45: Valkyrie
40: Namor (away from water for a while), Living Monolith, Drax (early incarnation)
30: Loki
25: Sif
20: Rhino
15: Rom, Ursa Major
11: Iron Man
10: Spider-Man, Ronan the Accuser, Zuras
5: Blob, Ghost Rider (original)
1.5: Ikaris
Other descriptions included in the handbook but with no specified strength rating include:
Silver Surfer - able to augment strength to levels similar to the Hulk
Nefaria - unknown, supposedly exceeding Hulk
Juggernaut - Hulk level strength, but the limits of which are unknown
Thanos - able to fight Thor and Thing, but exact limits unknown
Gladiator - group entry only, no strength rating
Herc is stronger because people say so. Marvel had Juggernaut state he was just as strong as Thor if not stronger but hey. Apparently Marvel doesn't know their characters as well as you people do.
Also Juggernaut doesn't need his force field to be durable. So he is far more durable than Herc as well.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Herc had,like Gladiator an incalculable strength in the marvel handbooks. Thor, Hulk etc had class 100. Juggs too btw.Herc is stronger by feats, lifting the universe, arguable, to help atlas.
Yeah so imagine how strong WW Hulk was when his intestines withstood
the abuse that a being capable of hitting with 133.45 times greater power
than Hercules. 😱
All hail the Church of Gamma.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah so imagine how strong WW Hulk was when his intestines withstood
the abuse that a being capable of hitting with 133.45 times greater power
than Hercules. 😱All hail the Church of Gamma.
Anyways, I don't think Juggy has a strength feat that comes close to this.
With Thor as a side effect of their arm wrestling match, both generated enough pressure to knock a planet out of orbit. When you think about it, they had to create enough force to accelerate the planet from it's orbit. Pretty ridiculous..
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
😂Anyways, I don't think Juggy has a strength feat that comes close to this.
With Thor as a side effect of their arm wrestling match, both generated enough pressure to knock a planet out of orbit. When you think about it, they had to create enough force to accelerate the planet from it's orbit. Pretty ridiculous..
Yep. Herc is stronger by actual feats. They did more than just both knock the planet off of its axis, they knocked it out of its orbit (planetary strength feat). That's bigger than anything that Cain has ever done, and again it took him months to escape a cave in, and months to get out of the cement foundation that Spider Man put him in.
