Originally posted by Stoic
1. Cain is very fast.2. It wasn't a low showing. If anything it was an average showing, because he has never been shown to lift anything larger than a building. In the Ultraverse he was actually struggling with the weight of a collapsing building. Merged Hulk was surprised in his conflict with Cain. The Green Scar was not trying against Cain which was stated on panel when he said that he held back the entire time. He even shows how much stronger he was at the end of the Sentry fight, compared to his run in with Cain, and he was still holding back. Herc has better strength feats than Cain. This is not an opinion but what was actually shown on panel.
1. No he isn't.
2. It's a low showing or hulk and his peers operate in the thousands of tons range on average. I have no problem with either.
Originally posted by h1a8
three things.
1. The story is most likely not canon. It was a fun story after the comic was over.
2. It took them a very long time to knock the Earth out of orbit (small acceleration). That means, combined, they were exerting a force smaller than an earth weight.
3. The feat is shared, so Thor gets half of a less than Earth weight feat.
This story took place in Thor #400. It was the 3rd story in the book titled "When Warriors Clasp". Notice the feature characters are Thor and Hercules. Though it was written in very stylized form, we know both characters are from 616 Marvel Earth because there are no indications of them from alternate universes.
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For example a secondary story in Thor Annual #14 titled "God's Hope" had a seemingly regular universe Thor show up. We know he's not because the MU index specifically designated him as Thor of Earth-89142.
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Same goes for all alternate universe characters. They are given designations in the official index like Thor of Earth-8710 in Thor #384 and ThorAnnual #16 or Gladiator of Earth-3515 in Thor vol.2 #33-35.
I don't know if it's butthurt or not, but only haters keep discounting this feat.
2. Don't be stupid. The story happened in 5 pages. Hell they didn't even start arm wrestling until midway in the 2nd page. The 4th page had the plateau collapse. The scan I posted was the 5th and last page.
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It was more like mere moments when they generated that pressure.
3. So what if it's shared? The fact that they generated enough force to knock the planet out of orbit is a pretty ridiculous feat. I mean they were in a standing/arm wrestling position for crying out loud. They weren't actively trying to push a planet. This was a damn side effect of their clasp.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1. It's pretty stupid to assume a story is not canon because it was a "fun" secondary story. I'll put an end to this fallacy regarding the feat.This story took place in Thor #400. It was the 3rd story in the book titled "When Warriors Clasp". Notice the feature characters are Thor and Hercules. Though it was written in very stylized form, we know both characters are from 616 Marvel Earth because there are no indications of them from alternate universes.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/av60_zps07e9a0c4.jpgFor example a secondary story in Thor Annual #14 titled "God's Hope" had a seemingly regular universe Thor show up. We know he's not because the MU index specifically designated him as Thor of Earth-89142.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/av65_zpsa4f868a9.jpgSame goes for all alternate universe characters. They are given designations in the official index like Thor of Earth-8710 in Thor #384 and ThorAnnual #16 or Gladiator of Earth-3515 in Thor vol.2 #33-35.
I don't know if it's butthurt or not, but only haters keep discounting this feat.
2. Don't be stupid. The story happened in 5 pages. Hell they didn't even start arm wrestling until midway in the 2nd page. The 4th page had the plateau collapse. The scan I posted was the 5th and last page.
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It was more like mere moments when they generated that pressure.3. So what if it's shared? The fact that they generated enough force to knock the planet out of orbit is a pretty ridiculous feat. I mean they were in a standing/arm wrestling position for crying out loud. They weren't actively trying to push a planet. This was a damn side effect of their clasp.
1. I'm not going to debate the canonicity. I'll assume it is.
2. Accelerating the earth at 9.8m/s^2 is the same as lifting the Earth.
They accelerated the Earth far slower since nothing happen for moments.
It takes less than an Earth weight of force to move the earth out of orbit. Exerting a half Earth weight will cause the Earth to accelerate 4.9m/s^2. This is enough to cause the Earth to move out of Orbit.
3. Thor exerted half of what it takes to move the Earth from orbit. That means he doesn't have a planetary feat at all. Superman has feats of exerting forces beyond 50 earth weights.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. I'm not going to debate the canonicity. I'll assume it is.2. Accelerating the earth at 9.8m/s^2 is the same as lifting the Earth.
They accelerated the Earth far slower since nothing happen for moments.
It takes less than an Earth weight of force to move the earth out of orbit. Exerting a half Earth weight will cause the Earth to accelerate 4.9m/s^2. This is enough to cause the Earth to move out of Orbit.3. Thor exerted half of what it takes to move the Earth from orbit. That means he doesn't have a planetary feat at all. Superman has feats of exerting forces beyond 50 earth weights.
2. I'm no mathlete, but your numbers seem fishy.
Your calculations aside, they would be more relevant if somehow they were both equally applying force in one direction to knock the planet out of orbit. They generated that pressure while partially expending it against each other since it's from an arm wrestling match. I think it makes the feat that much more ridiculous.
3. Why did you bring up Superman here? Now I know your anus really is in pain. Anything to try in discrediting characters that approach "Superman level" feats eh(which you failed miserably if I may add)? 😂
Sigh... He's not even remotely associated in this thread.
Originally posted by zom1967
Marvel even said War Hulk is the only one who stopped Juggs forword momentum with pure physical strength.Herc is strong as hell but i don`t see him getting past Juggs field.In an actual fight Juggs wins eventually!
A fight is a different story. Cain would probably eventually win, at least if we are talking about him at his classic levels of durability. I really thought that this was about who could lift more?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1. Don't assume. Just accept.2. I'm no mathlete, but your numbers seem fishy.
Your calculations aside, they would be more relevant if somehow they were both equally applying force in one direction to knock the planet out of orbit. They generated that pressure while partially expending it against each other since it's from an arm wrestling match. I think it makes the feat that much more ridiculous.3. Why did you bring up Superman here? Now I know your anus really is in pain. Anything to try in discrediting characters that approach "Superman level" feats eh(which you failed miserably if I may add)? 😂
Sigh... He's not even remotely associated in this thread.
2. Force = mass x acceleration
Weight = mass x gravity (acceleration)
Lifting the earth requires exerting a force that accelerates its mass at g.
Lesser forces would cause smaller acceleration but still an acceleration.
Either Thor and Herc combined to achieve the feat or they canceled each other out to not achieve the feat. It's clear the feat was accomplished so the combined.
3. My mistake, I thought this was Thor vs. superman strength thread.
Originally posted by Stoic
1. Juggernaut took months to escape a cave in. That is less than the weight of a state.2. Juggernaut took months to escape from a foundation. That's less than a city blocks weight.
The mountain was shelled by mortar fire and caved-in leaving Cain surrounded by shattered stone, since it wasn't one solid piece he couldn't lift it. It be the same as if he were in a pool of jello, his hands would just push right through it. There is panel showing him rummaging through loose rock in one of the flashbacks. No-one can simply lift that. Same with the concrete foundation, added to the fact that he slowly sunk to the bottom.
Originally posted by Stoic
In the Ultraverse he was actually struggling with the weight of a collapsing building.
If I'm not mistaken, in the Ultraverse he wasn't at full power. Overall, if he is in a different universe he has lost connection to his power source.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1. It's pretty stupid to assume a story is not canon because it was a "fun" secondary story. I'll put an end to this fallacy regarding the feat.This story took place in Thor #400. It was the 3rd story in the book titled "When Warriors Clasp". Notice the feature characters are Thor and Hercules. Though it was written in very stylized form, we know both characters are from 616 Marvel Earth because there are no indications of them from alternate universes.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/av60_zps07e9a0c4.jpgFor example a secondary story in Thor Annual #14 titled "God's Hope" had a seemingly regular universe Thor show up. We know he's not because the MU index specifically designated him as Thor of Earth-89142.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/av65_zpsa4f868a9.jpgSame goes for all alternate universe characters. They are given designations in the official index like Thor of Earth-8710 in Thor #384 and ThorAnnual #16 or Gladiator of Earth-3515 in Thor vol.2 #33-35.
I don't know if it's butthurt or not, but only haters keep discounting this feat.
2. Don't be stupid. The story happened in 5 pages. Hell they didn't even start arm wrestling until midway in the 2nd page. The 4th page had the plateau collapse. The scan I posted was the 5th and last page.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111197689/4198247-armwrestling4.jpg
It was more like mere moments when they generated that pressure.3. So what if it's shared? The fact that they generated enough force to knock the planet out of orbit is a pretty ridiculous feat. I mean they were in a standing/arm wrestling position for crying out loud. They weren't actively trying to push a planet. This was a damn side effect of their clasp.
Not to mention it was a joke story, if you have missed it. 'We could leave this as a dangling plot point." And the whole hyperbolic narration which was pointed out by narration back.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The mountain was shelled by mortar fire and caved-in leaving Cain surrounded by shattered stone, since it wasn't one solid piece he couldn't lift it. It be the same as if he were in a pool of jello, his hands would just push right through it. There is panel showing him rummaging through loose rock in one of the flashbacks. No-one can simply lift that. Same with the concrete foundation, added to the fact that he slowly sunk to the bottom.If I'm not mistaken, in the Ultraverse he wasn't at full power. Overall, if he is in a different universe he has lost connection to his power source.
Well what is his best lifting feat? In case you missed it, those were the only times that I could find him actually lifting something, and not tearing, or hitting something to pieces. Hercules on the other hand has actual lifting feats. Hercules wins on feats.
Even though the rocks may have been loose, why did it take him months to travel through it? Lobo was dropped 100 meters, and the shaft that he fell in was filled with loose rock. It only took him hours to kick his way out. So either Cain was going around in circles, or he lacked the actual power to get out quicker than he did. I didn't write it, I'm just using it to get a clear picture of what he can do in terms of lifting. Some may also think that this was me low balling, but it isn't unless someone can come up with an actual lifting feat of his, that beats Herc's.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but it was a random planet and all they did was break a plateau.Not to mention it was a joke story, if you have missed it. 'We could leave this as a dangling plot point." And the whole hyperbolic narration which was pointed out by narration back.
Yes they did break a plateau, but it's just like you to ignore a very important piece of narration. They generated enough pressure to knock the whole damn planet out of orbit. Massive strength feat that for some reason you can't accept. It's starting to look like you the same bad case of anal pain like your buddy H1. 🙁
hysterical
There is nothing to prove. It's a canon story. Stylized form doesn't make it any less canon. The 5 page story is referenced in his index for crying out loud.
Hyperbolic narration? Joke story? Sorry man, but jokes on you. 😂
Pretty much anything you'll add from this point on will scream of butthurt...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Random planet? What is your point regarding the planet? Don't beat around the bush and man up.
And the fact that it was a far away, battle-scarred planet allowed the writer/artist to have the 2 contestants go all out without worry of destruction of property and loss of life. Get a clue Abhi. U better than this.Yes they did break a plateau, but it's just like you to ignore a very important piece of narration. They generated enough pressure to knock the whole damn planet out of orbit. Massive strength feat that for some reason you can't accept. It's starting to look like you the same bad case of anal pain like your buddy H1. 🙁
hysterical
There is nothing to prove. It's a canon story. Stylized form doesn't make it any less canon. The 5 page story is referenced in his index for crying out loud.Hyperbolic narration? Joke story? Sorry man, but jokes on you. 😂
Pretty much anything you'll add from this point on will scream of butthurt...
Lots of hypothesis there celey. Your usual tricks I see.
That was simple hyperbole as the narration was pointing out the whole time. But nice of you to take hyperbole as fact. Pressure enough to move a planet wouldn't just break a plateau, it would totally crush it.
Canon doesn't means we are taking joke stories in account. Otherwise we would be taking Lobo farting nuclear bombs in account too.
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