Does Cytorrak truly possess unlimited strength? And how often did Cain actually draw on more power than he had? Was Cytorrak even willing to give him that much power? Why did it take him so long to escape that cave in? The Hulk held an entire planet together, he destroyed an asteroid larger than the Earth itself (even though the feat was aided by propulsion springs). Cain has never been shown to be as strong as the Hulk at his best. I think that those opinions weren't well thought out.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yep. Herc is stronger by actual feats. They did more than just both knock the planet off of its axis, they knocked it out of its orbit (planetary strength feat). That's bigger than anything that Cain has ever done, and again it took him months to escape a cave in, and months to get out of the cement foundation that Spider Man put him in.
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Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah so imagine how strong WW Hulk was when his intestines withstood
the abuse that a being capable of hitting with 133.45 times greater power
than Hercules. 😱All hail the Church of Gamma.
A hlding back Herc maybe or a depowered herc, that was just hyperbole with those 100+ herc strengths as Herc is, if serious, stronger than Hulk.
Originally posted by StoicThose are the opinions of the editors and the writers themselves.
Does Cytorrak truly possess unlimited strength? And how often did Cain actually draw on more power than he had? Was Cytorrak even willing to give him that much power? Why did it take him so long to escape that cave in? The Hulk held an entire planet together, he destroyed an asteroid larger than the Earth itself (even though the feat was aided by propulsion springs). Cain has never been shown to be as strong as the Hulk at his best. I think that those opinions weren't well thought out.
Originally posted by Stoicthree things.
Yep. Herc is stronger by actual feats. They did more than just both knock the planet off of its axis, they knocked it out of its orbit (planetary strength feat). That's bigger than anything that Cain has ever done, and again it took him months to escape a cave in, and months to get out of the cement foundation that Spider Man put him in.
Originally posted by h1a8
three things.
1. The story is most likely not canon. It was a fun story after the comic was over.
2. It took them a very long time to knock the Earth out of orbit (small acceleration). That means, combined, they were exerting a force smaller than an earth weight.
3. The feat is shared, so Thor gets half of a less than Earth weight feat.
1. Juggernaut took months to escape a cave in. That is less than the weight of a state.
2. Juggernaut took months to escape from a foundation. That's less than a city blocks weight.
3. The Juggernaut does not have any feats of strength that are actually comparable to Herc's higher level feats.
Originally posted by Stoic
1. Juggernaut took months to escape a cave in. That is less than the weight of a state.2. Juggernaut took months to escape from a foundation. That's less than a city blocks weight.
3. The Juggernaut does not have any feats of strength that are actually comparable to Herc's higher level feats.
1. Juggs moves very slowly, he is not fast at all.
2. That's a low showing. All characters have them. They hold little water in these type of debates. Juggs overpowered Professor Hulk and matched WWH. Both beings are stronger than Herc on average.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Juggs moves very slowly, he is not fast at all.
2. That's a low showing. All characters have them. They hold little water in these type of debates. Juggs overpowered Professor Hulk and matched WWH. Both beings are stronger than Herc on average.
Hmmmm, seems you want to ignore what you call low showings showings for Juggernaut and then base his strength on his high-end feats...then you start talking about Hercules' average. sounds to me like you're cherry picking feats so that your side looks better.
How about comparing average to average or high to high, or does that not fit in with your style of "debating"?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Hmmmm, seems you want to ignore what you call low showings showings for Juggernaut and then base his strength on his high-end feats...then you start talking about Hercules' average. sounds to me like you're cherry picking feats so that you side looks better.How about comparing average to average or high to high, or does that not fit in with your style of "debating"?
Originally posted by Silent MasterI said low showings hold little water in these type of debates. How does that mean they are ignored completely? Hold little water implies "average". We don't do arithmetic averages. We do weighted averages. Some feats weigh more than others. Low showings, below average, hold less water than average or high end feats. This is common sense.
Hmmmm, seems you want to ignore what you call low showings showings for Juggernaut and then base his strength on his high-end feats...then you start talking about Hercules' average. sounds to me like you're cherry picking feats so that you side looks better.How about comparing average to average or high to high, or does that not fit in with your style of "debating"?
Put it this way, me saying "on average" was just pretty prose. It doesn't change to point in the slightest. Professor Hulk and WWH are stronger than Hercules period. On average isn't needed.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Juggs moves very slowly, he is not fast at all.
2. That's a low showing. All characters have them. They hold little water in these type of debates. Juggs overpowered Professor Hulk and matched WWH. Both beings are stronger than Herc on average.
1. Cain is very fast.
2. It wasn't a low showing. If anything it was an average showing, because he has never been shown to lift anything larger than a building. In the Ultraverse he was actually struggling with the weight of a collapsing building. Merged Hulk was surprised in his conflict with Cain. The Green Scar was not trying against Cain which was stated on panel when he said that he held back the entire time. He even shows how much stronger he was at the end of the Sentry fight, compared to his run in with Cain, and he was still holding back. Herc has better strength feats than Cain. This is not an opinion but what was actually shown on panel.
Originally posted by basilisk
Yeah, Juggernaut was also tossing Hulk around pretty easily, it went both ways. Juggernaut actually thought he was stronger than Hulk during the fight, and stated that the Hulk's attacks were getting weaker, but that was just his opinion of course.As far as strength levels go, it's quite interesting looking back at the ratings in the original Official Handbooks of the Marvel Universe:
In excess of 100: Champion, Hulk (enraged)
100: Hercules, Abomination
95: Thor, Wonder Man, Ulik
90: Zeus, Hyperion, Hulk (base)
85: Thing
75: Namor (water), Orka, Terrax
70: Colossus, Sasquatch, Tiger-Shark, Pluto
60: Odin (regular), Dragon Man, Thundra
50: She-Hulk, Blastaar, Firelord
45: Valkyrie
40: Namor (away from water for a while), Living Monolith, Drax (early incarnation)
30: Loki
25: Sif
20: Rhino
15: Rom, Ursa Major
11: Iron Man
10: Spider-Man, Ronan the Accuser, Zuras
5: Blob, Ghost Rider (original)
1.5: IkarisOther descriptions included in the handbook but with no specified strength rating include:
Silver Surfer - able to augment strength to levels similar to the Hulk
Nefaria - unknown, supposedly exceeding Hulk
Juggernaut - Hulk level strength, but the limits of which are unknown
Thanos - able to fight Thor and Thing, but exact limits unknown
Gladiator - group entry only, no strength rating
lmao, what handbook was this?