Who's stronger Juggernaut or Hercules · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
That it was a random planet?
Lots of hypothesis there celey. Your usual tricks I see.
That was simple hyperbole as the narration was pointing out the whole time. But nice of you to take hyperbole as fact. Pressure enough to move a planet wouldn't just break a plateau, it would totally crush it.

What? Simple hyperbole as the narration was pointing out? What are you babbling about?
And yet you would not question things like holding a miniature black hole inside cupped hands when it comes to wacky comic physics. Or Supes claiming he can destroy a planet if he pounds on it long enough as gospel. You really are funny. 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend

Canon doesn't means we are taking joke stories in account. Otherwise we would be taking Lobo farting nuclear bombs in account too.
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Are u phukking kidding me Abhi? You want me to compare a story with Lobo actually farting with the force of a 50kiloton nuke to a story that had Thor and Herc arm wrestling with stylized narration? Don't insult my intelligence.

I don't know anything of your scan so it's not worth commenting more on it.

All I know is that you've already been given reference to the story and yet you continue to ignore what's in front of you.

Butthurt aside, it's not the end of the world. Superman still loves you.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Canon doesn't means we are taking joke stories in account. Otherwise we would be taking Lobo farting nuclear bombs in account too.

Why not? Canon is canon.

carver9 Senior Member

ABHI, how powerful was Superman and Doomsday last punch during 'Death of Superman'?

krisblaze Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why not? Canon is canon.

Because of PIS.

Ptr_Grifin What?

Originally posted by Stoic
Well what is his best lifting feat? In case you missed it, those were the only times that I could find him actually lifting something, and not tearing, or hitting something to pieces. Hercules on the other hand has actual lifting feats. Hercules wins on feats.
Even though the rocks may have been loose, why did it take him months to travel through it? Lobo was dropped 100 meters, and the shaft that he fell in was filled with loose rock. It only took him hours to kick his way out. So either Cain was going around in circles, or he lacked the actual power to get out quicker than he did. I didn't write it, I'm just using it to get a clear picture of what he can do in terms of lifting. Some may also think that this was me low balling, but it isn't unless someone can come up with an actual lifting feat of his, that beats Herc's.

I can't deny Juggernaut has a lack of lifting feats. So it is hard to make a case with on panel showings. I know its not on panel, but there ware those two Green Mail snippets that have two different Hulk writers saying Juggs can draw on more power. Plus one of the recent articles on, "The Once and Future Juggernaut" story stating Cain, "he's got the chance to get it back [Juggernaut power]. He can become one of, if not the, most physically powerful people on the planet again." I think 3 different writers, spanned across decades, saying something similar in regards to the character should have some weight.

One thing Hulk, Thor and Hercules have over Cain, is there many, many more appearances. So their lifting feats can be thrown in there every now and then versus Cain being in a comic for plot reasons only.

As far as your second paragraph, the only thing I can think is that Cain couldn't just get a hold, hand or foot, on anything solid. Every time he reached his hand forward to pull himself, his arm just displaced the rock and his body, being the larger mass, just didn't move. Or when he tried to take a step, there was nothing solid to stand on or push off of. I guess I am looking at this from a more realistic stand point (comics lol). I can't say that is what the writer went for though.

Just to make things a little more confusing, in New Excalibur, after Cain got the power, he had to immediately face the previous Juggernaut and kill him to gain the full power. Which he did in that story.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What? Simple hyperbole as the narration was pointing out? What are you babbling about?

"Centuries without number, you are laying it a little thick."
And yet you would not question things like holding a miniature black hole inside cupped hands when it comes to wacky comic physics. Or Supes claiming he can destroy a planet if he pounds on it long enough as gospel. You really are funny. 😂
Those are not written as joke stories narrated by writer and artist.
Are u phukking kidding me Abhi? You want me to compare a story with Lobo actually farting with the force of a 50kiloton nuke to a story that had Thor and Herc arm wrestling with stylized narration?
Why not? Both are canon after all.
Don't insult my intelligence.
You do it yourself.
I don't know anything of your scan so it's not worth commenting more on it.
All I know is that you've already been given reference to the story and yet you continue to ignore what's in front of you.
That its a joke story and full of hyperboles? Yeah, we would take the hyperbole narration at its face value when its clear the story was not meant to be taken that way.

Butthurt aside, it's not the end of the world. Superman still loves you.

Thor doesn't love you though.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI, how powerful was Superman and Doomsday last punch during 'Death of Superman'?

What?

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Centuries without number, you are laying it a little thick."
Those are not written as joke stories narrated by writer and artist.

Yes. The setting and how the 2 were described was very stylized. What they did on panel however was clear. They broke a plateau and generated enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit. It is not hard to separate what they did and how it was portrayed.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why not? Both are canon after all. You do it yourself.

Get it right. I'm not disputing that Lobo scan since I don't know anything about it. If you were going to use a comparison, you should have come up with a better example. Also Lobo is prone to wacky feats. Do you see Herc and Thor farting with enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit? 😂
Seriously man....

Originally posted by abhilegend

That its a joke story and full of hyperboles? Yeah, we would take the hyperbole narration at its face value when its clear the story was not meant to be taken that way.

No. The story was a playful take on their tremendous strength. I also know it was a high end feat and that they do not go around knocking planets out of orbit on a regular basis. Given their other feats, I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept(actually we all know why).
I mean ridiculous feats of strength are not new to these two when they meet.

"Power enough between them to demolish worlds!"

Originally posted by abhilegend

Thor doesn't love you though.

Sure he does.

Knowing your antics, you'll just ignore the above scan and cry it was all hyperbole.
No amount of proof will change your mind.

carver9 Senior Member

Nice Thor ft Celey. Was that an alternate Herc?

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by carver9
Nice Thor ft Celey. Was that an alternate Herc?

Just like the arm wrestling scan, this one is also referenced in the MU index. They are both 616 Herc and Thor. This one is from Avengers vol 1 #100.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. The setting and how the 2 were described was very stylized. What they did on panel however was clear. They broke a plateau and generated enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit. It is not hard to separate what they did and how it was portrayed.
Get it right. I'm not disputing that Lobo scan since I don't know anything about it. If you were going to use a comparison, you should have come up with a better example. Also Lobo is prone to wacky feats. Do you see Herc and Thor farting with enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit? 😂
Seriously man....
No. The story was a playful take on their tremendous strength. I also know it was a high end feat and that they do not go around knocking planets out of orbit on a regular basis. Given their other feats, I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept(actually we all know why).
I mean ridiculous feats of strength are not new to these two when they meet.
"Power enough between them to demolish worlds!"
Sure he does.
Knowing your antics, you'll just ignore the above scan and cry it was all hyperbole.
No amount of proof will change your mind.

Hyperbole.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by h1a8
Hyperbole.

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Imo Hercules strength = Thor = Hulks at his best sans WB < regulard Hulk

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Imo Hercules strength = Thor = Hulks at his best sans WB < regulard Hulk

And all of them are greater than Superman. Good catch. 😉

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Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by carver9
And all of them are greater than Superman. Good catch. 😉
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I don't see where you read Superman in my post but a good fail as usual Carter 😉.

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carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I don't see where you read Superman in my post but a good fail as usual Carter 😉.
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I didn't see Hulk in this thread but you brought him up.

krisblaze Senior Member

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Imo Hercules strength = Thor = Hulks at his best sans WB < regulard Hulk

I agree, though Herc suffered especially due to lack of popularity 🙁

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't see Hulk in this thread but you brought him up.

Because he is from Marvel like Herc and the benchmark of strength like Thor.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. The setting and how the 2 were described was very stylized. What they did on panel however was clear. They broke a plateau and generated enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit. It is not hard to separate what they did and how it was portrayed.

So just going to ignore everything? Sure thing bro.
Get it right. I'm not disputing that Lobo scan since I don't know anything about it. If you were going to use a comparison, you should have come up with a better example. Also Lobo is prone to wacky feats. Do you see Herc and Thor farting with enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit? 😂
Seriously man....
Why the double standards? Both are canon after all. But yeah, joke story is a joke story.
No. The story was a playful take on their tremendous strength. I also know it was a high end feat and that they do not go around knocking planets out of orbit on a regular basis. Given their other feats, I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept(actually we all know why).
Because its not meant to be taken seriously? Under the same writer a few issues later, Thor and hercules struggled to lift a few cars they were trapped under. I don't think DeFalco was writing Thor/Hercules to be planetary level in any of his comics.
I mean ridiculous feats of strength are not new to these two when they meet.
"Power enough between them to demolish worlds!"
Yeah, silver age hyperbole is great. Your point is?
Sure he does.
No, he doesn't.

Knowing your antics, you'll just ignore the above scan and cry it was all hyperbole.
No amount of proof will change your mind.

Have you even read the comics you are randomly posting scans from? I guess not.

krisblaze Senior Member

What is Abhi and Cely debating?