Stealth Moose
Umbrella Elite
Originally posted by RagingBoner
I didn't realize one was martial if and only if one has fought Sith. What it means is that they're inexperienced in fighting Sith Masters, but given that the good Count and his more intelligent, more powerful, more dangerous Master each went toe-to-toe with Yoda, I'd say experience is important, but not everything.
But it is important. Jedi of the PT era are explicitly listed as diplomats first and foremost. While they train in LS combat, they have no need to study for example, Makashi or Juyo. Most Jedi Masters and Knights used Niman, so the idea that they are really "all that" is questionable given their lack of feats, their lack of expertise in the only available battle, and the relative weakness of a majority of their peers.
Let's put it this way - who is more likely to be a great warrior against the Sith - a Jedi Master pre-Ruusan or post?
Not when "everything that's in the book is because Mr. Lucas wanted it there." Take it up with Matthew Stover.
1. The book is radically different from the final cut of the movie. Whole parts are unalike when it comes to combat, which concerns us most.
2. Chee states in the canon article that newest versions of the films themselves dominate. This can extend to the novelization since it's obviously based on the older version of the RotS script which never made it to film.
3. Because the novelization does not accurately depict the same battle as what we see in the movie, I don't see how it can even be admissable in some cases.
"You have to be [b]Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor." -- George Lucas, emphasis mine. This corroborates the novelization's emphasis on Palpatine's speed, which, curiously enough, was line-edited by Lucas. Do I see continuity here? Yes, I do.[/b]
This may be the case - that only Mace or Yoda could compete with Sidious. I'll accept that. What I don't accept is the idea that Sidious is better than Random Sith X because of beating down Agen, Tiin, and Kit. They sucked. AotC Anakin would have put up a better fight.
I mean, heck, if we go down your road, because Kun isn't listed by Lucas, he loses.
Very funny. But wrong. Lucas' domain extends to the movies and the events which spawned in them. Because RotS Sidious is a distinguishable entity and his fighting abilities at that time are in question, the movie is a valid source and arguing canon is important because the novelization contradicts it.
With the comics, canon contradiction is not a problem. Kun exists outside of the movies and there is continuity in media where he shows up.
No one's denying that he's powerful, Janus. In fact, no one's denying he's extremely powerful.
This is a first. Usually the crowd here says he's harmless and useless because he's not Sidious.
Right, and Palpatine has more knowledge at his disposal.
Sidious also ruled a large empire, much larger than anything in Kun's era, and he had a lifetime to accumulate said knowledge.
But really, it proves nothing. Just like your claim that Sidious' extensive knowledge proves nothing; because it cannot be substantiated in terms of how it improves the fighter.
But one's power was not what caused one to perform those feats alone, otherwise one wouldn't need a ritual.
You're losing yourself in semantics. Ritual does not mean it's a DnD spell that requires days of prep. Both Sidious and Kun used Sith sorcery and Sith rituals to perform impressive abilities. The point is, they can do it. This is an indication of standing, which you disputed.
When that Jedi "Wall of Light" is established to incinerate spirits, and then Kun's endurance of it means he's uber-l33t, let me know. Until then, it's about as impressive as Palpatine's essence surviving the extraordinary power of the Death Star reactor core.
Actually, the same ability used by just Nomi completely severs Ulic from the Force for the rest of his life. If you had read the comics, you'd know this.
Yes, I forgot how all references to Palpatine's power is in the political environment. Thanks for the reminder.
You're welcome! This service is free.
Right, just like Lucas told the actors playing Windu's posse to stand around like they're amateurs.
The other explanation is that the Jedi masters were really that slow and uncomprehending of basic straightforward combat. Your choice.
😂No, Janus. My point was that Lucien isn't NYR. He's not the thread starter. All that was said is that Kun is "without the amulets." Not the blasts, but the amulets. As in they're not there. If NYR says otherwise, I'll concede, but I haven't seen it.
Then again, he's been on ignore for about three weeks.
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You're clinging to that condition because it suits you, I take it?
Lastly, the point is Sidious' vaunted TK is in question because of the pods' obvious sounds which accompany their movement, unless someone's going to bind, torture, and kill the Razor, dump it in a lake somewhere, and then go on to say how Sidious used his dark side nexus powers to hum the pods for lulz.