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I'll give him the holding against Mace Windu aspect, but the three Jedi members?
Yes, Council members. Referenced as "celebrated swordmasters" during the golden age of the Jedi order.
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You mean the ones that mostly stood still while he impaled them?
Because, in conjunction with the Lucas approved-and-line-edited novelization, Palpatine was faster than they were.
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In the highest canon source ever?
Yes.
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Didn't we debunk that claim with actual evidence?
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If only we determined canon based on what we liked.... You probably would have enjoyed the Janus-era a lot.
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It's like saying I'm a legendary fighter, but Bruce Lee breaks my neck because I stand still in life or death combat. It does not compute.
If Bruce Lee was harnessing the powers of an energy field and his Force-wielding abilities were well beyond yours, this would be an appropriate comparison.
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^ Exar Kun's cries of anguish as the dark side heals him is felt and heard across the galaxy. Vodo immediately recognizes than Kun has fell to the dark side, and is afraid of the coming storm.
Good to know that one's cries of anguish and a Jedi Master being bothered rival another's ability to smother the Force perceptions of ten thousand Jedi at their height. You have a unique system of comparison.
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Exar Kun possesses a hoard of lore and items from Ossus, the greatest of the Jedi libraries, more than he could ever use.
Dear God, don't make me reference the section about Palpatine's Force knowledge in myGideon's essay, it'll probably make me double post.
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Kun shows perfection in a Sith spell which silently freezes thousands of sentient beings still, enough to literally stop an army in its tracks and butcher it without danger. This is an incredible Force feat.
Are you kidding me? Doesn't the narration say "ritual"? Since when are rituals indicative of combat ability and natural power?
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Exar Kun drains the Massassi people - thousands - as he attempts to anchor his spirit to the physical world, unlike Sidious' essence transfer which required a physical body. However, because he had not mastered the technique and the entire Jedi Order - some thousands of trained Force users - joined in a wall of light to sever him from the Force, he was left disembodied for four thousand years.
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Let me get this straight: Kun tries to perform a technique that would enable him to do something Sidious can't. Kun fails. Kun winds up in a damn near identical position. But because he tried, well, not only does he get full credit, but he's now better than Sidious in all ways?
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
No, I still don't see it.
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Still, he had much power in this state once he attacked Luke's Order.
Kun's definitely powerful, even in a spectral form, but you're neglecting the critical presence of Kyp Durron in many of his attacks against the new Jedi Order.
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Note that the narrator calls his spirit itself "powerful",
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But none of these apply when directed at Sidious. Really, man? Can we not agree on some common ground here?
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and suggests that he could perhaps run rampant through the cosmos without a body.
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But... he... doesn't.
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I'd say he's up there.
Because of the amulet?
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Actually, I demonstrated in my detailed RotS duel commentary that the sound of the pods' levitation devices was clearly audible and that he was using TK on the controls, not the entire weight of the pods themselves. This diminishes the feat considerably, considering Qui-Gon Jinn was able to use the Force on a small scale to manipulate droid innards to shut them down. Qui-Gon = Sidious? I think not.
What a conclusion, just based on the noise. You should loan your Ears out to Leland Chee and the folks at LFL, given the fvckton of continuity errors they find themselves in with the new TV show.
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You must have slept in, I'm sorry; let me refresh you - I brought up to NYR that clearly Kun can't be argued without his amulets because:
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2. They clearly make him more powerful, even if you just eliminate the amulet blasts themselves. LL brought up that usually the blasts themselves are removed, but not the amulets. So my argument stands.
From NYR to Lucien, eh? I didn't realize your selectivity transcended canon sources to posters. Because they're clearly the same guy, right?
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1. He always has them as a Sith. So they are always on his person.
That's great. But for the purposes of this match, he's without them.
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I'd give you a blue ribbon for reading comprehension, but that would be like rewarding an F student.
Given your abysmal reading comprehension, deplorable aptitude for interpretation, and your chronic inability to properly source anything (because Lucien can apparently alter the thread starter's scenario at whim!), I'd say this F student feels sufficient pity to hand the ribbon to his mentally handicapped friend Janus, whose perpetual drooling and inarticulate ramble is somewhat endearing. <3