I dont see why people are focusing on the bullet timing aspect since in a fight attacks will come from all directions and bullets are the biggest jobbers in comics.
Sabretooth lack of bullet dodging has to do with his powerset his healing factor, he has no need to avoid bullets but if the bullets are standard fall back argument for speed then why dont we use Lightning and laser dodging since both are technically beyond mach speed and i am sure Sabretooth has moments of dodging those attacks.
Sabretooth is fast enough to hit and grab spiderman who is superhuman in speed with precog, i dont see why sabe would have any harder time connecting or grabbing Rand in a fight and with his claws it makes his attacks far more dangerous then blunt trauma.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Direct admissions =/= feats either.
There not feats but there direct admissions of there own power level.And these characters know the advantages that they have on one another since they fight one another.
Wolverine has enough appearances on his own to stand on his own two feet. Him not having any bullet-time feats should be an indication that he can't. It's not a justification for projecting a different character's feats onto him.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Cap ducking underneath Winter Soldier's point blank shot AFTER IT WAS FIRED and throwing his shield in that same space of time is greater than Daredevil batting away bullets.
Cap has one high end bullet time feat, as when he is by the Red Skull. His other ones are not even remotely as impressive as that one. As for the majority of actually bullet feats DD is greater.By bullet feats alone of course.
Doesn't matter DD has admitted not one but twice that Steve is much faster then him. And that does "count".
Daredevil's statement means something because it's substantiated with actual feats. When Cap outraced him at the same time DD was making his statement, and when Cap has proven himself to have greater bullet time feats on-panel.
Not the same situation at all with Wolverine and Elektra. Not even close.
I believe wolverine does have bullet dodging feats the problem is that the art isnt as flashy as what you see in books involving Cass and are subsequently ignored.
and again you dont need a bullet feat to tell you what character can beat another or how they measure up when both characters have already fought each other and both appear to be on somewhat equal footing in speed reflex.
people focus too much on art depiction representation rather then the character's standard operating representation.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Direct admissions =/= feats either.Wolverine has enough appearances on his own to stand on his own two feet. Him not having any bullet-time feats should be an indication that he can't. It's not a justification for projecting a different character's feats onto him.
Nope because his healing factor gives him a leee way for his bullets. Especially with different artists portray on bullets. Direct admissions is better since its a actual direct comparison with two characters. And with isolated feats with different writers/ different artists could be different in the end for the plots.
This is why direct comparisons are much better.
Cap ducking underneath Winter Soldier's point blank shot and throwing his shield in that same space of time is greater than Daredevil batting away bullets.Daredevil's statement means something because it's substantiated with proof. When Cap outraced him at the same time DD was making his statement, and when Cap has proven himself to have greater bullet time feats.
Not the same situation at all with Wolverine and Elektra. Not even close.
DD has a feat of dodging a sniper rifle bullet inches away from his face(it merely scratches him) but those bullet are usually twice as fast.) and he batted away two bullets at about the same time to another one as his total body movement kept up with one.
To another where a rifile bullet inches away from his face was paused as he was already making a run.
So definitely just on bullet feats alone DD's are better over all on just majority bullet showings. But thats probably because Cap just normally blocks them with his big shield.
Logan has enhanced strength and enhanced speed. Elektra saying it just backs that equation up as she is not enhanced like him. As her admission serves as a better direct comparions then isolated feats.
^ The fact that you're trying to debunk DD's statement that Cap's faster than him by relying on Daredevil's best feats (and ignoring Cap's) while trying to convince me that Elektra's statement that Logan's faster than her by relying on NO Wolverine feats (and ignoring Elektra's) is ridiculous.
This conversation is not only entirely off-topic, it's completely asinine. Character statements =/= feats. Particularly when said character being stated upon doesn't have actual feats to back up the statement.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ The fact that you're trying to debunk DD's statement that Cap's faster than him by relying on Daredevil's best feats (and ignoring Cap's) while trying to convince me that Elektra's statement that Logan's faster than her by relying on NO Wolverine feats (and ignoring Elektra's) is ridiculous.This conversation is not only entirely off-topic, it's completely asinine.
No I believe DD when he saids Cap is faster then him. I am a firm believer that Cap is faster and stronger then Daredevil. Also based on speed showing when not just counting bullets. Speed feats can be done without bullets.
I'm just saying DD is going to have the nicer/flashier bullet feats because he gets more chances to do things with bullets then Steve does.
Because Steve normally just hides behind his big shield to block them and thus has lesser flashy showings against bullets as the same as Logan just uses his healing factor to show off or not need to worry as much in comparison as well to DD. Despite both Steve and Logan being faster then DD. Plus its not like Logan hasn't tagged guys like Steve(bullet timer) or even Spiderman anyways. So he definitly has the speed feats anyways(when not just counting just bullet feats.)
Wolverine has plugged the barrel of a gun after the trigger was pulled, but before the bullet could even leave the trailer, he dodged machine gun fire from half a dozen chain guns firing 2700 bullets per minute, and recently avoided a point black artillery fire from a tank.
Sabretooth has caught thousands of bullets, and he doesn't even need to use his hands to do it, he can catch them with his face and torso. Smart. 😎
Here a few of Wolverine feats, he clearly a bullet dodger. Also Sabre-tooth is consistently stated as even faster.
Here a mere piece of Wolverine soul is capable of doing
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1324/shoguna2mp9.jpg
Dodges bullets after there fired from a sitting position, he then blizt the culprits :
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At near point blank dodging machine gun firer as he charges forward.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3648/autododgedw2.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8318/autododge2ux7.jpg
Wolverine dodging bullets.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9711/wolviebullye1.jpg
Gets shot at from behind by terrorist he lets live, he able to evade the bullet for the most part, but is slightly grazed. he then blizts the guy before he can firer again.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg
Deflecting scots Optic Blast which move at least as fast if not faster then Bullets
31. http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg
Move so fast he vanishes from Night Crawler in broad daylight.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6018/wolverinedissapearsak5.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Basically. Those scans, with the exception of batting away Cyclops' beams, are generic street level feats.Iron Fist is faster than Sabretooth. Wolverine's inferior speed has nothing to do with this topic.
Yes I fondly remember the time a bullet graced Danny's check and then he moved so fast he seemingly teleported fifty feat and cut the shooters arm off, and the time he dodged a point blank tank shell. Good times. Good times. dur
Sabretooth is faster then Wolverine. Wolverine is faster than Iron Fist. Danny has no shot of beating either of them. Danny should stick to what he is good at... which of course is being unable to get a decisive win over Daredevil. 😎
^ Enough with this "Sabretooth wasn't explicitly mentioned as being a mutant so he must explicitly not have been a mutant" garbage.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNo. For the same reason I don't think Cass' superior feats aren't PIS. They're not unprecedented, they continue to happen, and they'll probably happen again.
Do you consider Captain America outracing a bullet to be valid, or PIS?
Originally posted by srankmissingninOnce again, describing nothing that generic street levelers don't do.
Yes I fondly remember the time a bullet graced Danny's check and then he moved so fast he seemingly teleported fifty feat and cut the shooters arm off, and the time he dodged a point blank tank shell. Good times. Good times.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSabretooth is arguably faster than Wolverine. And Wolverine has nothing to do with this. And Iron Fist is a bullet-timer that beats Sabretooth because he's faster, more skilled, has more abilities, and is more powerful.
Sabretooth is faster then Wolverine. Wolverine is faster than Iron Fist. Danny has no shot of beating either of them. Danny should stick to what he is good at... which of course is being unable to get a decisive win over Daredevil.
