sabretooth vs iron fist

Originally posted by Philosophía
So you think the comics portray street levelers like Captain America as being able to run one kilometer in less than 3 seconds? It's, well, good to know at least.

I just find it rather hypocrytical for you to dismiss Wolverine batting away Cyclops' visor because it's lightspeed but accept Captain America outpacing a bullet on foot (eventough the magnitudes are, obviously, very large between the feats, it not being the point), instead of going with what I believe to be common sense and agreeing that both of them are PIS, with Captain America or Wolverine have no bussiness being anywhere close to that.

Yeah, considering Wolverine hasn't done sh1t like that before, much less with slower bullets, and that I don't expect Wolverine to be doing it again, I don't see it as being hypocritical. Of course, the magnitudes being very large has nothing to do with it, suuure. And just now recalling your debates with Cassandra Cain with other posters, I find your accusations of hypocrisy... hypocritical. And humorous. And ironic.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I was just interested to see your stance on this one, since I have no interest in this discussion either way. Go on.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
To be fair here Danny is written way more powerful since this fight too.

Originally posted by King Castle

Looking for him dodging point blank artillery fire, and instantly closing a cap of 50 feet without a shooter seeing or being able to react to him, not simple bullet dodging.

Danny shoots ki blasts at each of his eye balls.

Originally posted by Mindset
Danny shoots ki blasts at each of his eye balls.

What's the power level?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well then you have more problems with Cassandra Cain, than Captain America, I guess? I guess you had issues with Neo not running one kilometer in less than 3 seconds in the first Matrix movie too? Ruined the movie for you?

And I don't know how to tell you, but when the discussion gets to the point where the sides argue which street leveler is more supersonic than the other, you know you're in for some dumb discussion.

ermmnone

And it's a good thing you brought up the sun part. Because in that case, we have no 'numberical aproximation'. But we could do one. Would it be ok for me to ask you to show me a top tier like, say, Namor, delivering more pressure than the one experienced by Superman at the center of the sun or at the center of blackholes, in order to consider him as able to even flinch Superman? That's basically what you're asking the other side. To prove that their characters are faster than/can exhibit more pressure than a speeding bullet/blackholes.

And it's asinine.

But like I said, I don't care for this discussion. I only wanted to see your stance on the whole thing, for personal amusement.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What's the power level?

Originally posted by Mindset
Over 9000.

whoa. 😐

Originally posted by Mindset
Over 9000.

Over 9000?!!!!

*scouter explodes*

Originally posted by Mindset
Over 9000.

It makes you think what even somebody like Freeza would do to the comic Universes.

Back me up, carver.

Originally posted by Philosophía
There's a difference between getting out of the way of a bullet and actively outrunning it from a standing position. Only one of them always implies supersonic speed. And sure, I have a problem with Cassandra doing them, the same way I have a problem with Captain America doing them.

So here we are, in hypothetical discussions about fictional characters, and I fail to understand how your willingness to rely on Cass' bullet-timing feats on one hand, while unilaterally dismissing Cap's bullet-timing feats on another with ham-fisted RL rationale, is not hypocritical.

Even if I were to believe your backhanded assertions that you're being consistent, here I am, relying on Cap's bullet-timing feats on one hand, while unilaterally dismissing Wolverine's FTL feats on another. The speed of a bullet is nowhere close to the speed of light in either the real world or the comic fictional world. You're speaking of a difference measured in the hundreds of thousands. So... slight difference, slick.

But to wrap this forced conversation up with a nice bowtie, it isn't just your failure to recognize the insane difference between consistent bullet-timing speed and a one-time FTL reflex speed that draws the most amusement for me. It's your backhanded quaneuvers and feeble pretense that you're in any sort of position to judge me and how I view PIS that draws the most amusement.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What's the power level?

Originally posted by Mindset
Over 9000.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Over 9000?!!!!

*scouter explodes*

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You obviously don't have the same problem with Cass considering you've battlezoned with her and relied on her ridiculous speed that far outstrips anything Cap has done for the sake of a hypothetical comic book argument. Ducking her head several feet, when a sniper round is inches from her head implies demands supersonic speed.

The truth is, like somebody said, bullets are jobbers in comics. Blackholes are jobbers. Most comic events are jobbers. I've seen other boards that coins them as 'cosmic cheese' that isn't really the deciding factor as far as a confrontation goes, and I agree with that assessement, the same way I agree with the 'street level cheese' for a lack of a better word assessement, concerning bullets. They factor, but certainly not in the way that we matemathically extrapolate the singificance and precise speed because, as shown, the numbers we get are absurd.

This method of debating is a cop-out, and doesn't get you anywhere. Because right now, in order for the Wolverine side to provide a valid argument, in your eyes, they'd have to show Wolverine going supersonic, and even then there'd have to be some calculations, as to who went more supersonic.

That's asinine, illogical and contrary to common sense. But you're so wrapped up in "I have to be right" that you can't have a balance in the discussion.

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"Yeah, considering Wolverine hasn't done sh1t like that before, much less with slower bullets, and that I don't expect Wolverine to be doing it again"

Wolverine has done that before to scots Optic blast in fact. Sooo that kinda kills that arguement......

In fact does that not then make you a hypocrite? Because was not ur whole arguement that it only happen once and would not happen again?

Also when has Capt out ran a bullet asside from that single incident?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Sure, but that doesn't mean that you don't have to use the bullet feats in order to strengthen your argument.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11285275&highlight=batgirl+bullets+userid%3A110322#post11285275

Now you're denigrating Cap's bullet-timing speed feats because of ludicrous RL implications despite it being consistent in comics.

I'm using Cap's superior bullet-timing speed feats to strengthen my argument that he's faster than Wolverine's non-existent bullet-timing speed feats. And now I'm denigrating a single FTL Wolverine feat as PIS because of ludicrous comic book world implications, i.e., it's hundreds of thousands of times faster than bullet-timing, and it's a one-off feat.

I don't see a difference between either of us using bullet-timing speed feats in comic book discussions. Except now you're trying to act like you didn't do that with Cass (you did) and you're conflating bullet-timing with FTL combat speed (dumb because it's a difference measured by the hundreds of thousands in both RL and in comic books).

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's asinine, illogical and contrary to common sense. But you're I'm so wrapped up in "I have to be right can't be wrong" that you I can't have a balance in the discussion.

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"I'm using Cap's superior bullet-timing speed feats to strengthen my argument that he's faster than Wolverine's non-existent bullet-timing speed feats."

I just posted several of them, the fact you ignore what you don't like does not make then "Non-existent".

"And now I'm denigrating a single FTL Wolverine feat as PIS because of ludicrous comic book world implications,"

Except it not a single feat as I already stated. He done it before to scot optic blast no less.

How many times has capt out ran a bullet? once? yet you seem to have no problem using that as the end all be all of your arguement.

^ I'm not going to argue the distinction with clear bullet-timing vs. aim-dodging with you. You know damn well there's a difference. When you come to accept that openly, then we can have a constructive conversation.

In the meantime, all I hear is, "Wolverine is a bullet-timer based on generic aim-dodging feats but is still somehow faster than all those generic aim-dodgers (and legitimate bullet-timers even), and he actually also has FTL speed." There's too much stupid to unwrap there and holding your hand through it is a waste of my time.

Ur a hypocrite. and you copped out. I be putting u on ignore. Have funn with your excuses. Your entire arguement was based off it happening once, but it happen more then once, but oh wait capt out running a bullet legit, though despite the fatc it happened only once? Gotta love people who are so smugg yet such a hypocrite.

^ Try to keep me on ignore this time instead of playing hide-and-seek the last three times you did. I've got enough Wolverithmetics proponents trying to convince me there's no difference between aim-dodging and bullet-timing after a shot's been fired to deal with. And enough people who think bullet-timing speed has any business being mentioned in the same sentence as FTL speed.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Move so fast he vanishes from Night Crawler in broad daylight.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6018/wolverinedissapearsak5.jpg

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Its going to be hard for alot to top that type of speed. Nightcrawler is pretty damn fast in his own right. Logan just displayed so damn high speed there.

And this one will be hard to top as well. Forget bullets here Logan blocks beams with his claws.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/axm-017.jpg

That's just borderline crazy.