Originally posted by OneDumbG0So you think Captain America can outrace a bullet to its target, from a standing position, surpassing the speed of sound?
No. For the same reason I don't think Cass' superior feats aren't PIS. They're not unprecedented, they continue to happen, and they'll probably happen again.
Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_aAre you asking me if he should or if he could? Because on the latter, he has. Same as Cass (who has superior speed when you consider the sniper bullet being inches from her head and her ducking her head away several feet).
So you think Captain America can outrace a bullet to its target, from a standing position, surpassing the speed of sound?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, lots of things have happened in comics that don't make sense. Which is why PIS exists. Which is why I'm asking you - do you think Captain America being able to accelerate fast enough to outrun a bullet, from a standing position, surpassing the speed of sound, is a valid argument?
Are you asking me if he should or if he could? Because on the latter, he has.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Once again, describing nothing that generic street levelers don't do.
Lets see some scans of Iron Fist duplicating those feats, bro.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sabretooth is arguably faster than Wolverine. And Wolverine has nothing to do with this. And Iron Fist is a bullet-timer that beats Sabretooth because he's faster, more skilled, has more abilities, and is more powerful.
The fact that Creed is above Wolverine in every way save for skill is a fundamental part of his character. Just like how Davos is stronger and faster then Danny, or how Venom is stronger and faster then Spider-man. All those heroes have more feats (and more impressive feats), then their respective villains but the villains are all judged relative to the heroes they fight. Sabretooth doesn't have any bullet time feats? Maybe not but Wolverine does, and Sabretooth is established as being faster then Logan. Pretty simple. Sabretooth is faster then Danny, and more than capable of eating the Iron Fist with a smile on his face. Creed can end this fight with one well placed shot. Danny can't.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, lots of things have happened in comics that don't make sense. Which is why PIS exists. Which is why I'm asking you - do you think Captain America being able to accelerate fast enough to outrun a bullet, from a standing position, surpassing the speed of sound, is a valid argument?
Originally posted by PhilosophíaDon't make sense in the real world. In comics, you suspend disbelief. Unless, within the comics itself, it's utterly disbelievable because it wildly ignores all precedent within comics.
Yes, lots of things have happened in comics that don't make sense. Which is why PIS exists. Which is why I'm asking you - do you think Captain America being able to accelerate fast enough to outrun a bullet, from a standing position, surpassing the speed of sound, is a valid argument?
For me, that underlined part is what constitutes PIS for me. I've always believed I've had a much narrower view of PIS than most. But I don't think it's an unfair one.
Cap's done it before and he's done it recently and he'll likely do it again. Same with Daredevil batting bullets away. Same with Cass dodging bullets with contemptuous ease. I may not "like it," but that doesn't mean "it didn't happen."
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan"Next topic." As in, let's move on to the next topic.
whats that mean?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Lets see some scans of Iron Fist duplicating those feats, bro.The fact that Creed is above Wolverine in every way save for skill is a fundamental part of his character. Just like how Davos is stronger and faster then Danny, or how Venom is stronger and faster then Spider-man. All those heroes have more feats (and more impressive feats), then their respective villains but the villains are all judged relative to the heroes they fight. Sabretooth doesn't have any bullet time feats? Maybe not but Wolverine does, and Sabretooth is established as being faster then Logan. Pretty simple. Sabretooth is faster then Danny, and more than capable of eating the Iron Fist with a smile on his face. Creed can end this fight with one well placed shot. Danny can't.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Basically. Those scans, with the exception of batting away Cyclops' beams, are generic street level feats.Iron Fist is faster than Sabretooth. Wolverine's inferior speed has nothing to do with this topic.
I think ODG point is, which is how I view PIS... is if a character is portrayed in conveinently forgetting powers he has used in similiar situations before... or lets say being affected by something that his history has shown he is immune to.. Those are PIS situations... When history is thrown out the window for the sake of a story... That is different than people performing feats that defy conventional logic of the real world. This is comics.. this occurs in virtually EVER comic... Performing of said feats aren't PIS, as again, this status quo for comics.. PIS is when the plot takes precedence over a characers established history... i.e. Wolv being killed by a conventional bullet.. when we all know he has a long history of it doing nothing to him. yet it happened for the sake of the plot
Originally posted by OneDumbG0So you think the comics portray street levelers like Captain America as being able to run one kilometer in less than 3 seconds? It's, well, good to know at least.
Don't make sense in the real world. In comics, you suspend disbelief. Unless, within the comics itself, it's utterly disbelievable because it wildly ignores all precedent within comics.
I just find it rather hypocrytical for you to dismiss Wolverine batting away Cyclops' visor because it's lightspeed but accept Captain America outpacing a bullet on foot (eventough the magnitudes are, obviously, very large between the feats, it not being the point), instead of going with what I believe to be common sense and agreeing that both of them are PIS, with Captain America or Wolverine have no bussiness being anywhere close to that.
I was just interested to see your stance on this one, since I have no interest in this discussion either way. Go on.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Lets see some scans of Iron Fist duplicating those feats, bro.The fact that Creed is above Wolverine in every way save for skill is a fundamental part of his character. Just like how Davos is stronger and faster then Danny, or how Venom is stronger and faster then Spider-man. All those heroes have more feats (and more impressive feats), then their respective villains but the villains are all judged relative to the heroes they fight. Sabretooth doesn't have any bullet time feats? Maybe not but Wolverine does, and Sabretooth is established as being faster then Logan. Pretty simple. Sabretooth is faster then Danny, and more than capable of eating the Iron Fist with a smile on his face. Creed can end this fight with one well placed shot. Danny can't.
So the feats I posted are generic according to me? Interesting. Wasent he before that argueing that Wolverine had not bullet time level feats.
Is that a victory? normally I say no, but onedumbgo plays wolverine down so badly, I honestly wonder if that was as close to admittences that wolverine can bullet dodge as will get.
Find it funny that Tank feat is generic lol.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThat presumes I won't simply be wasting my time. When you post those generic Wolverine feats and try to compare them to Cass' bullet dodging or Cap's bullet dodging, one would think you would have an extremely generous view as to what equates to bullet-timing speed.
Don't be jellly.They are apparently "generic" feats, so it should be easily for you to show me Iron Fist duplicating them given that.
But we both know you'll stretch scans one way: in Wolverine's favor. It's Wolverithmetics Rule #62, after all.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWCreed isn't one-shottign speeding trains or Helicarriers anytime soon. Don't hold your breath. crackers
He's had numerous upgrades since then. I wouldn't say Danny is more powerful than him.
