Thor vs Magneto

Originally posted by Robtard
-They will, both his chain mail and gauntlet extend to his wrist.

-Not in any usable manner.

-Thor's armor is minuscle compared to the GGB and Thor hasn't shown the strength to counter the forces it would take to rip out and move the bridge.

That last part was a circular argument long ago. Maybe post a clip or name a feat that illustrates that Thor even has half the strength Magneto demonstrated with his magnetism. Go.

re look at that picture you posted. look at Thors left hand. It shows the gauntlet and chain mail stop just short of his wrists.

yes plenty usable actually.

ok give me a min to go gather some clips.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering the rest of what you said relied on the false premise that Magneto needed his hands up to pull the guns, I didn't see a need to reply to that.

Here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7mrni_x-men-magneto-challenges-xavier_shortfilms @ 2:32

You can argue all you want but his best feats have shown him having to use his hands even most of the minor ones have him doing so. YOu can not deny that. Even moving the cars right before he used his hands. 😬

And you're holding on to this notion that Mags can perform his mightiest feats with a head nod which has been shown to be false.

And even a slight nod would be all the time Thor needs to simply toss his hammer at mags.

Originally posted by Newjak
Like I said small feat or a small reaction, and everything he did even slightly he used his hands.

You can argue all you want but his best feats have shown him having to use his hands even most of the minor ones have him doing so. YOu can not deny that. Even moving the cars right before he used his hands. 😬

And you're holding on to this notion that Mags can perform his mightiest feats with a head nod which has been shown to be false.

And even a slight nod would be all the time Thor needs to simply toss his hammer at mags.

Except for the clip I just posted.

No, I'm saying he can grip Thor's armor without having to do some sillynanny hand waving and then if need be, he can raise his hands and make a "I gotta take a dump" look. He could also focus every bit of his power on just the one gauntlet and Thor is ****ed.

Thor's a brute and he fights like one. He's no ninja.

Thor is throwing what seems to be casual hits and sending the frost giants flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z63d_byNZU4

Simple hammer toss knocks the destroyer sideways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzO3n50FEE

Fighting Iron man thats at 400% power and it appears hes not even phased by any of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5TSexI8Pw

Cap punches through a submarine while underwater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LFFWRNuYRw

then putting his full effort into it

cap fights loki and doing no damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L99ghiZFHDw

but then

Loki hurt by hulk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AORKWkN3-c

and

hulks Leviathan punch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqKoSISlgl4

but

Thor Fighting Hulk and not even being hurt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCrHc4QA7Q

not to mention he broke the bifrost.....

EDIT: I added the submarine feat of caps only because of how much pressure subs can be put under without being damaged and not only did he punch through it but he did it underwater. This kind of gives a base line of Thors power at.....well lower then his lowest.

ooh right I almost forgot he fell from the helicarrier at terminal velocity and was completely ok when he hit...

(can't find the clip.)

I still don't see anyone replying to the idea of "What if Thor came into the battle with his Avengers outfit... the one without chain mail arms?"

In any case, the bridge feat of Magneto was done on a bridge that wasn't fighting back. Sure he generates enough force to lift it (which is uni-directional) but what happens when he tries to pin Thor and Thor goes wild and tries to break out in every direction?

Magneto needs his concentration, and if Thor is able to put his arm up and summon some lightning or wind storm to break Magneto's concentration, that's it for Mags.

Mags has no other battle plan other than trying to hold THor in his armor (and that's IF Thor comes with his chain mail arms), but other that than, he has nothing. So he has a bigger chance of losing this than Thor.

because magneto would stand no chance then

EDIT: though as Robo pointed out earlier on via forum rules they have basic knowledge....which includes basic power sets. Meaning he more then likely would not be wearing metal.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Thor is throwing what seems to be casual hits and sending the frost giants flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z63d_byNZU4

Simple hammer toss knocks the destroyer sideways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzO3n50FEE

Fighting Iron man thats at 400% power and it appears hes not even phased by any of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5TSexI8Pw

Cap punches through a submarine while underwater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LFFWRNuYRw

then putting his full effort into it

cap fights loki and doing no damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L99ghiZFHDw

but then

Loki hurt by hulk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AORKWkN3-c

and

hulks Leviathan punch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqKoSISlgl4

but

Thor Fighting Hulk and not even being hurt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCrHc4QA7Q

not to mention he broke the bifrost.....

EDIT: I added the submarine feat of caps only because of how much pressure subs can be put under without being damaged and not only did he punch through it but he did it underwater. This kind of gives a base line of Thors power at.....well lower then his lowest.

The only one that comes close in terms of strength/power it would have taken Magneto to generate in order to rip out the GGB and the carry it across the SF Bay is Hulk's punch and that's not actually anywhere close to the power required for the bridge feat. The GGB is in excess of 800,000 tons + the force required to rip it out + 3.7 miles of carrying distance. Just circling here over and over.

It' telling that Thor not only doesn't have a strength feat that puts him anywhere near Magneto's potential when using metal as a medium, but you have to use another character's feat.

Repeat: He cracked the Bifrost and then it exploded of it's own energies. If you can quantify how much force it would have taken to crack the Bifrost, be my guest.

Originally posted by Robtard
The only one that comes close in terms of strength/power it would have taken Magneto to generate in order to rip out the GGB and the carry it across the SF Bay is Hulk's punch and that's not actually anywhere close to the power required for the bridge feat. The GGB is in excess of 800,000 tons + the force required to rip it out + 3.7 miles of carrying distance. Just circling here over and over.

It' telling that Thor not only doesn't have a strength feat that puts him anywhere near Magneto's potential when using metal as a medium, but you have to use another character's feat.

Repeat: He cracked the Bifrost and then it exploded of it's own energies. If you can quantify how much force it would have taken to crack the Bifrost, be my guest.

Thats where you and I disagree. Since the Leviathan is the size of a skyscraper and appears to be much thicker then one and is wearing an alien metal and is moving at least the speed of a speeding vehicle.

soo showing strength feats from other characters to get a base line on someones strength is a bad thing? News to me.

EDIT: How can we be sure hes holding up the entire bridge while ripping it up? How do we know he isn't only supporting the parts hes ripping up? Honestly that would mean the only real strain should be the last beam. The ONLY thing this feat even proves is he can support the weight of the bridge for 3 miles.

This was obviously him at his full concentration to.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Thats where you and I disagree. Since the Leviathan is the size of a skyscraper and appears to be much thicker then one and is wearing an alien metal and is moving at least the speed of a speeding vehicle.

soo showing strength feats from other characters to get a base line on someones strength is a bad thing? News to me.

Like a skyscraper now? LoL.

Be better if you could use Thor's feats to quantity Thor. Instead of "well, someone else did it so Thor can too!!!11!"

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
EDIT: How can we be sure hes holding up the entire bridge while ripping it up? How do we know he isn't only supporting the parts hes ripping up? Honestly that would mean the only real strain should be the last beam. The ONLY thing this feat even proves is he can support the weight of the bridge for 3 miles.

This was obviously him at his full concentration to.

You see him rip the bridge from it's foundations and it doesn't crumble down on itself, it tilts a bit at one point, so he had to have been supporting the thing across it's width with his powers. We also see him levitate the bridge across the bay, so he had to have been supporting it's entire weight.

Even going with your gimped version, he's supporting something like 800,000 tons for 3.7 miles, far exceeding of anything Thor has shown.

Originally posted by Robtard
Like a skyscraper now? LoL. http://www.downtheroadshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Leviathan-The-Avengers.jpg

Be better if you could use Thor's feats to quantity Thor. Instead of "well, someone else did it so Thor can too!!!11!"

You see him rip the bridge from it's foundations and it doesn't crumble down on itself, it tilts a bit at one point, so he had to have been supporting the thing across it's width with his powers. We also see him levitate the bridge across the bay, so he had to have been supporting it's entire weight.

Even going with your gimped version, he's supporting something like 800,000 tons for 3.7 miles, far exceeding of anything Thor has shown.

yup Id say about the size of a skyscraper. That picture doesn't even show the entire thing as its still coming from around the building.

I know what you mean but Thor was depowered one way or another through almost the entire movie. How else can you quantify his feats? On the Heliecarrier you see him fighting Hulk and smiling. After that he gets stabbed by Loki and hes wounded for the rest of the movie. After the second one im sure his feats will be a lot better because I doubt they will depower him at all.

No im not saying he didn't eventually support the whole thing. Im saying That...well lets say his powers are like an invisible sheet. hes pulling the sheet down the bridge to hold it up as he rip the beans out. So the sheet gets down to the first beam as it rips out and so on. Since his powers are indeed invisible there is no way to be sure.

anyways I still gotta know what magneto is gonna do to stop him from flinging his hammer at him? Like I said earlier the chain mail and gauntlets stop just short of his wrists.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
yup Id say about the size of a skyscraper. That picture doesn't even show the entire thing as its still coming from around the building.

I know what you mean but Thor was depowered one way or another through almost the entire movie. How else can you quantify his feats? On the Heliecarrier you see him fighting Hulk and smiling. After that he gets stabbed by Loki and hes wounded for the rest of the movie. After the second one im sure his feats will be a lot better because I doubt they will depower him at all.

No im not saying he didn't eventually support the whole thing. Im saying That...well lets say his powers are like an invisible sheet. hes pulling the sheet down the bridge to hold it up as he rip the beans out. So the sheet gets down to the first beam as it rips out and so on. Since his powers are indeed invisible there is no way to be sure.

anyways I still gotta know what magneto is gonna do to stop him from flinging his hammer at him? Like I said earlier the chain mail and gauntlets stop just short of his wrists.

Not even close to the size/mass of a skycrapper, it's not all that much longer than the pic i posted and the creature gets skinner and skinner towards the end. FFS, one crashed into the lobby of Grand Central Station and fit inside with shitloads and shitlods of room to spare. The one Thor and Hulk took down. Stop the wanking.

How was Thor depowered in The Avengers?

And like I said, Thor's not flinging his hammer any great distance with any great accuracy being pinned and being in pain from the crush. Unless you have some feat I'm not aware of that puts him in the GGB ripper/lifter range.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not even close to the size/mass of a skycrapper, it's not all that much longer than the pic i posted and the creature gets skinner and skinner towards the end. FFS, one crashed into the lobby of a large building and fit inside with shitloads of room to spare. The one Thor and Hulk took down. Stop the wanking.

How was Thor depowered in The Avengers?

And liek I said, Thor's not flinging his hammer any great distance with any great accuracy being pinned and being in pain from the crush.

no he most certainly would. and even if he misses it would hit him on its way back to thor.

How?! seriously? He fought Iron Man and cap and he fought Hulk. he fell from the helicarrier. We saw him smacking down those aliens like they were nothing then he went to stop loki. Loki Stabbed him in the gut so bad he was limping. He was barely even able to fly. I would call that being depowered.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
no he most certainly would. and even if he misses it would hit him on its way back to thor.

How?! seriously? He fought Iron Man and cap and he fought Hulk. he fell from the helicarrier. We saw him smacking down those aliens like they were nothing then he went to stop loki. Loki Stabbed him in the gut so bad he was limping. He was barely even able to fly. I would call that being depowered.

Glad the leviathan wanking is over, it's a large troop transport, not skyscraper-like.

Yet nothings been shown to prove Thor could muscle out of Magneto's grip. WTF, Mjolnir goes in straight lines to get back to Thor, it's not a boomerang or heat seeking missile.

He was fresh when he fought Iron Man. He was fresh when he fought the Hulk. By the time we see him in the Chitauri invasion, he's been freshened up. So not sure how any of that is "depowered". Depowering was in Thor, when he had his powers taken away.

Originally posted by Robtard
Glad the leviathan wanking is over, it's a large troop transport, not skyscraper-like.

Yet nothings been shown to prove Thor could muscle out of Magneto's grip. WTF, Mjolnir goes in straight lines to get back to Thor, it's not a boomerang or heat seeking missile.

He was fresh when he fought Iron Man. He was fresh when he fought the Hulk. By the time we see him in the Chitauri invasion, he's been freshened up. So not sure how any of that is "depowered". Depowering was in Thor, when he had his powers taken away.

he was fresh fighting them but during the main event where he could have just gone badass and fought he was depowered...hence the stab. The only one that gave him problems was the hulk even though he didn't have his full powerset to fight with because of the fighting location. If he wanted to he could have killed both Ironman and Cap. Those fights arn't important anyways. My point was he was depowered during the invasion. Choosing not to believe that is crazy. Maybe I could have stated it better here... Thor was depowered in about 90% of his action scenes. Either by choice not to kill, he couldn't use his powers to fight to his fullest because of location, or he was injured and barely able to even fly.

anyways I will re watch his fight with destroyer again but I was certian he threw his hammer and it hit one side and one its return it hit the destroyer on the other side. If that is true then it shows he has some control of its return path. Either way I still think it would hit him

EDIT: no I was right it hit the destroyer on the right side on its way at him then on the left(from thors perspective) on its way back.

Movie Magneto dosen't have any shield does he? I don't recall seeing one. Thor could probably take him out by creating a malestron and hitting him with not magnetazieable(?) material.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you comparing the mass of Thor's armor to that of the GGB? Cos it seems you are.

At most, he needs to slightly cock his head to the side while making a pedo's smile and Thor is locked down in his armor, as shown.

Show me Magneto manipulating a relatively small amount of metal with the cock of his head to overpower a class 100 character. 😐

This is all ignoring the fact that Thor seems to be able to magically remove and equip his armour...

Thor breaks his tooth off and spits it through Magneto's head.

this thread was over a long time ago.. there is nothing in the X-Men movies to even remotely suggest that Eric can manipulate a God's armor.. Eric can't certainly hold off Mjolnir either.. Even if somehow Eric is able to hold Thor in place, Thor with little effort will summon Mjolnir and then Eric gets whacked upside the head..