Originally posted by BlackZero30x
but it's just more then slip ups. The 2nd film plans to have this team.Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Iceman, Rouge, Angle, Colossus, jubilee, and Shadowcat.
Not to mention in the original films Mags help build cerebro. That's how he knows how to build it in x2. According to First Class he most certainly did not help build it. I mean some of these things are full scale changes that would directly affect the plots.
anyways assuming that this is still the same magneto and that he can manipulate Thors armor The most damage he's going to do is hold him in place. Thats not going to stop Thors wrist from moving to either throw or summon with his hammer.
Patrick Stewart might be in it as well
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
anyways assuming that this is still the same magneto and that he can manipulate Thors armor The most damage he's going to do is hold him in place. Thats not going to stop Thors wrist from moving to either throw or summon with his hammer.
So in your mind, Thor can output in excess the force it would take to rip out and carry the GGB?
Cos I can't recall him every showing anything close to that kind of strength.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
in my mind magneto isn't even going to be able to bend his armor....EDIT: not to mention he was taking hits from hulk. that should be more then enough proof after what he did to that leviathan....
I'm not sure you're realizing that amount of force it would take to rip out and carry the Golden Gate Bridge. It's more than the Hulk has shown.
Originally posted by RobtardThe Leviathon Armor was able to withstand an assault from Ironman, including those wrists lasers that cut those droids in IM2 in half.
I'm not sure you're realizing that amount of force it would take to rip out and carry the Golden Gate Bridge. It's more than the Hulk has shown.
I don't know how much force Ironman's armor can exert but I know it's quite a bit, and Hulk's punch was able to bend that same armor. So the Leviathan feat is pretty high.
I'm not sure it's on the same level as the Golden Gate Bridge feat but it's a pretty good one still.
Originally posted by Robtard
So in your mind, Thor can output in excess the force it would take to rip out and carry the GGB?Cos I can't recall him every showing anything close to that kind of strength.
Originally posted by RobtardIndeed. That and pulling a submarine up out of the ocean; stopping and accurately reversing the flight path of scores of missiles...
I'm not sure you're realizing that amount of force it would take to rip out and carry the Golden Gate Bridge. It's more than the Hulk has shown.
These are possibly, by far, the most impressive power feats in the Marvel cinematic universe. The only thing I can think of at the moment that exceeds them comes from DC films: Superman lifting the edge of a continental plate to reverse an earthquake (Superman, 1978), and his lifting a whole, kryptonite-encrusted micro-continent (Superman Returns).
Movie Surfer taking out Galactus could be another candidate, but that's not as relatable (imo).
Movie Thor has got to perform on the scale of Superman and Surfer if he's to be considered Magneto's superior (feat-wise).
*Btw, Robtard, wouldn't Earth from far away look more like this ---> . Of course, really far away would make it look like this --->
Originally posted by Newjak
The Leviathon Armor was able to withstand an assault from Ironman, including those wrists lasers that cut those droids in IM2 in half.I don't know how much force Ironman's armor can exert but I know it's quite a bit, and Hulk's punch was able to bend that same armor. So the Leviathan feat is pretty high.
I'm not sure it's on the same level as the Golden Gate Bridge feat but it's a pretty good one still.
Hulk's punching the leviathan and stopping it is superb, I don't think it's like ripping out and carrying the GGB though, it terms of power/force required.
Originally posted by MindshipThor's Jottenheim Buster is by far better than any of Mags feats.
Indeed. That and pulling a submarine up out of the ocean; stopping and accurately reversing the flight path of scores of missiles...These are possibly, by far, the most impressive power feats in the Marvel cinematic universe. The only thing I can think of at the moment that exceeds them comes from DC films: Superman lifting the edge of a continental plate to reverse an earthquake (Superman, 1978), and his lifting a whole, kryptonite-encrusted micro-continent (Superman Returns).
Movie Surfer taking out Galactus could be another candidate, but that's not as relatable (imo).
Movie Thor has got to perform on the scale of Superman and Surfer if he's to be considered Magneto's superior (feat-wise).
*Btw, Robtard, wouldn't Earth from far away look more like this ---> . Of course, really far away would make it look like this --->
Plus Surfer was able to effortlessly drill through the planet, making whole big enough and wide enough to drain an entire river. I think that is also more impressive.
Originally posted by RobtardMy point was how powerful do you think IM's laser's are?
Hulk's punching the leviathan and stopping it is superb, I don't think it's like ripping out and carrying the GGB though.
They couldn't even dent that armor. Hulk's punch managed to bend and rend that very same armor, and all that punch did to Thor was give him a very minor nosebleed.
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor's Jottenheim Buster is by far better than any of Mags feats.Plus Surfer was able to effortlessly drill through the planet, making whole big enough and wide enough to drain an entire river. I think that is also more impressive.
Did we ever actually see him drill? It's been awhile but i don't recall it ever showing exactly how he made those holes
Originally posted by Newjak
My point was how powerful do you think IM's laser's are?They couldn't even dent that armor. Hulk's punch managed to bend and rend that very same armor, and all that punch did to Thor was give him a very minor nosebleed.
They can easily cut and weld metal, iirc. So strong.
I'm not arguing that Hulk isn't immensely strong or that Thor isn't immensely strong and durable, they are.. I'm arguing that nothing Thor has shown dictates he could out power a force powerful enough to rip out and carry the GGB.
In your mind, could Thor rip out and carry the GGB? For the sake of argument, the bridge wouldn't break apart.
Originally posted by Robtard
They can cut and weld metal, iirc.I'm not arguing that Hulk isn't immensely strong or that Thor isn't immensely strong and durable, they are.. I'm arguing that nothing Thor has shown dictates he could our power a force powerful enough to rip our and carry the GGB.
In your mind, could Thor rip out and carry the GGB? For the sake of argument, the bridge wouldn't break apart.
Plus several additional tons due to multiple vehicles and people being on said bridge
Originally posted by NewjakH'm. I'd forgotten how that went so I youtubed it. Yeah, that is pretty impressive, so much so it was one of the complaints I had about the Thor film: seemed like Thor's best showings were done too early in the movie, and we haven't seen anything like it since. We need to see more of Thor operating on this scale, minimally.
Thor's Jottenheim Buster is by far better than any of Mags feats.
Originally posted by NewjakFor some reason, that feat just doesn't do it for me, but yeah, I can see your point.
Plus Surfer was able to effortlessly drill through the planet, making whole big enough and wide enough to drain an entire river. I think that is also more impressive.
Originally posted by juggermanI think we do see him do it once but I'm not certain.
Did we ever actually see him drill? It's been awhile but i don't recall it ever showing exactly how he made those holes
All we really know is he did them under his own power, and did them incredibly quickly. So it doesn't matter how he did them, since it was with his own power. The point is he had the power to do them which is better than what Mags has done.
Originally posted by RobtardNo your point at one time was that Mags was gonna crush Thor like a grape which considering how durable Thor is won't happen.
They can easily cut and weld metal, iirc. So strong.I'm not arguing that Hulk isn't immensely strong or that Thor isn't immensely strong and durable, they are.. I'm arguing that nothing Thor has shown dictates he could our power a force powerful enough to rip out and carry the GGB.
In your mind, could Thor rip out and carry the GGB? For the sake of argument, the bridge wouldn't break apart.
Mags may very well be able to hold Thor still, if Thor's armor is able to be controlled by Mags to begin with, but he won't crush him. Thor has already survived some crazy powerful things.
Blackzero also raises a good point in that Thor will still be able to move is wrists around and could therefore still summon lightning to shoot at mags or throw his hammer at mags.
As to your question I think Thor could via flight produce the same outcome Mags did with GGB if it didn't break apart. Although I'd admit you probably won't find a feat to back that claim up, but Mags definitely isn't crushing Thor.
Originally posted by Newjak
No your point at one time was that Mags was gonna crush Thor like a grape which considering how durable Thor is won't happen.Mags may very well be able to hold Thor still, if Thor's armor is able to be controlled by Mags to begin with, but he won't crush him. Thor has already survived some crazy powerful things.
Blackzero also raises a good point in that Thor will still be able to move is wrists around and could therefore still summon lightning to shoot at mags or throw his hammer at mags.
As to your question I think Thor could via flight produce the same outcome Mags did with GGB if it didn't break apart. Although I'd admit you probably won't find a feat to back that claim up, but Mags definitely isn't crushing Thor.
My point is that Thor will both he held like a statue and crushed. It's never changed.
Thor's bleeding from Hulk's punch and being say an excess of 800,000 tons of force will **** him up. Why was he so desperate to escape the falling cell if he could tank it?
Thor's armor extents to his wrist.
Thor's not shown the strength to do what Magneto did to the GGB.
Originally posted by RobtardSo hulk punching (from a standstill) the leviathan causing it to halt in its tracks is not a great strength feat? News to me.
I'm not sure you're realizing that amount of force it would take to rip out and carry the Golden Gate Bridge. It's more than the Hulk has shown.
EDIT: but even if what you are saying is true. Lets say Thor could get crushed like this. You are saying Magneto is going to resort to an attack that took his full power and consecration right off the bat? It would only take thor one punch and metal being flung at him isn't even gonna slow him down.
Originally posted by Newjak
I think he meant Thor could still knock mags out if all he did was flick his wrist and toss his hammer at mags. Which is true 😛
Indeed it tis what I meant.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd I say he won't be crushed because he has already taken
My point is that Thor will both he held like a statue and crushed. It's never changed.
Punch's from Hulk, The Bi-Frost Explosion, crashed in the ground at incredible speeds. Survived the touch of a frost giant which can shatter Asgardian armor.
Survived being blasted by Odin's spear.
He isn't being crushed.